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reply posted on 25-3-2005 @ 04:55 PM by AlfredENewman
Originally posted by nathraq
It's all about business, you can't get too emotional about it....


Got to agree with that. Money is money, business is business.

Falklands war, HMS Sheffield, Exocet missile (french made) - "our" allies but the result? Read here

What about (so called) "friendly fire" too - here - wars kill people - bullets and bombs have no consciences.

And, doesn't America sell weapons to others too?

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"DONALD RUMSFELD, the US Defence Secretary and one of the most strident critics of Saddam Hussein, met the Iraqi President in 1983 to ease the way for US companies to sell Baghdad biological and chemical weapons components, including anthrax and bubonic plague cultures, according to newly declassified US Government documents. .."

from here


reply posted on 25-3-2005 @ 05:12 PM by AlfredENewman
Originally posted by CGBSpender
more of the treasonous acts and the continuation of genocide thanks to france and germany.


Pardon?? I really don't understand that comment?? Genocide is a word associated with America too.

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"...The true extent of this disaster is unfolding as time goes by. In light of the continuous revelations about the quantity and types of weapons used in Afghanistan, the worse has not fully materialized. Everyday, US AC 130 gunships, A-10s and B 52s bomb Afghan villages and towns at each turn when a unit of US troops encounter resistance. Consequently, not only, the perpetual death continues but rather, every round of depleted uranium is one additional nail in the collective coffin of the Afghan people......"

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, my friend...


reply posted on 25-3-2005 @ 05:19 PM by infinite8
Originally posted by devilwasp
...So wait, you want them to be your female dogs because of an act you HELPED do in 1941 , if thats so shouldnt you be thier female dogs since they helped you in the revolutionary war?

Also you twisting your "greatest, bestest best pal in the whole wide world"'s arm to stop it from happening, if you didnt notice they are putting restrictions on the sales.

Also it would be OUR soldiers dieing to or do you believe we wouldnt follow our close ally the US into war?



Let's not use the Revolutionary War as the example for the French helping us. As a result of the French and Indian War, France had to give up control of North America to England and Spain. Now, during the Revolutionary War, France had been asked by the Americans to help fight Britain, but declined because they really did not believe it was possible for the colonists to win, after all they couldn't. The French government had provided supplies of weapons to the Americans secretly thanks to America's minister to France, Benjamin Franklin, who had found popularity with the French people and French government officials. It wasn't until after the American victory at Saratoga, that the French decided to enter the war on the American side. Prior to them entering, each signed military and political treaties. Now don't forget, Britain was also fighting with Spain so France knew they would be vulnerable and this gave them the opportunity to get even for their loss in the French and Indian war, while also preventing England from gaining new ground in the Americas.

Now I can understand the sentiments of Maximus, but what needs to be understood is that the U.S. has provided China with a lot of the technology that their military uses. Here is an interesting fact sheet for you too look at: www.justfacts.com...

Another problem the U.S. has had is with Israel selling U.S. technology to China. In 2002, Israel was China's second largest supplier of arms. Reverse engineered technology ends up getting sold. The F-10 multi-role fighter is an almost identical version of the Lavi (Lion). Israeli built Python-3 missles are on Chinese fighters.

Its a constant cycle. Everyone is guilty of it unfortunately. The problem will come when France and Germany are (if ever) in a conflict with China. You know who they will call though.



[edit on 3/25/2005 by infinite8]


reply posted on 25-3-2005 @ 05:29 PM by yanchek
Originally posted by infinite8
Originally posted by devilwasp
...So wait, you want them to be your female dogs because of an act you HELPED do in 1941 , if thats so shouldnt you be thier female dogs since they helped you in the revolutionary war?

Also you twisting your "greatest, bestest best pal in the whole wide world"'s arm to stop it from happening, if you didnt notice they are putting restrictions on the sales.

Also it would be OUR soldiers dieing to or do you believe we wouldnt follow our close ally the US into war?



Let's not use the Revolutionary War as the example for the French helping us. As a result of the French and Indian War, France had to give up control of North America to England and Spain. Now, during the Revolutionary War, France had been asked by the Americans to help fight Britain, but declined because they really did not believe it was possible for the colonists to win, after all they couldn't. The French government had provided supplies of weapons to the Americans secretly thanks to America's minister to France, Benjamin Franklin, who had found popularity with the French people and French government officials. It wasn't until after the American victory at Saratoga, that the French decided to enter the war on the American side. Prior to them entering, each signed military and political treaties. Now don't forget, Britain was also fighting with Spain so France knew they would be vulnerable and this gave them the opportunity to get even for their loss in the French and Indian war, while also preventing England from gaining new ground in the Americas.

Now I can understand the sentiments of Maximus, but what needs to be understood is that the U.S. has provided China with a lot of the technology that their military uses. Here is an interesting fact sheet for you too look at: www.justfacts.com...

Another problem the U.S. has had is with Israel selling U.S. technology to China. In 2002, Israel was China's second largest supplier of arms. Reverse engineered technology ends up getting sold. The F-10 multi-role fighter is an almost identical version of the Lavi (Lion). Israeli built Python-3 missles are on Chinese fighters.

Its a constant cycle. Everyone is guilty of it unfortunately. The problem will come when France and Germany are (if ever) in a conflict with China. You know who they will call though.



[edit on 3/25/2005 by infinite8]


Very educational.

You give us lemmons and we will make lemonade.

Cheers



reply posted on 25-3-2005 @ 05:33 PM by AceOfBase
Don't forget to thank Israel while you're at it.
They are they second largest supplier of arms to China.

Korea Times
Russian and Israeli sales make the embargo hopelessly porous. Israel, a U.S. military ally, has never even paid lip service to the embargo or U.S. protests. In fact, its sales of high-tech weapon systems have steadily increased since the 1980s to the tune of billions of dollars of items every year, like fighter jets, air-to-air missiles and battle tanks. In fact the CIA expressed concern over this since at least 1993 when then-CIA director R. James Woolsey indicated exactly that in written testimony to Congress.

Now, Israel is China’s second largest supplier of arms (second only to Russia). Coincidentally, the newest addition to the Chinese air force, the F-10 multi-role fighter, is an almost identical version of the Lavi, or Lion. The Lavi was a joint Israeli-American design based upon the F-16 and financed with about $1.5 billion in American aid. In April 2001, photos of the Navy EP-3E surveillance plane forced to land after a Chinese F-8 fighter flew into its propeller show Israeli built Python 3 missiles under the fighter’s wings. Fighter jets and air-to-air missiles? And the White House has a conniption over the EU lifting its weapons ban?


Why such a big fuss over the EU?
Maybe Israel is worried the EU wil take market share from them.

EDIT: I missed Infinite's comments on this same subject.

[edit on 25-3-2005 by AceOfBase]
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