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Guns don't kill people, doctors do

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posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:13 AM
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hes educator who he last say mid to late 2003 was shocked because he was doing fairly well and maintining fairly good control.But he gave up on seeing his endocronogist because he used to put my dad down he was never happy never gave him confidence.


To be fair, this just seems like a bit of a mess in general, and not really the fault of the GP...if your Dad was meant to be seeing an endocrinologist and gave up, he really needed to start seeing a new one immediately....the GP probably assumed that the endocrinologist was taking care of that side of things.

Still, the main thing is he's getting good care again.




posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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well i suppose u could be right. but once i met the old endcronologist i understoood what he and the diabetic educator meant. a bitter and twisted old man with a lack of clientle who smokes and drinks soft drinks and is said to also be a diabetic.



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by tarzan
well i suppose u could be right. but once i met the old endcronologist i understoood what he and the diabetic educator meant. a bitter and twisted old man with a lack of clientle who smokes and drinks soft drinks and is said to also be a diabetic.


Oh without a doubt
I'm not saying the old endocrinologist was any good, or didn't deserve to be deserted by your father.

All I'm saying is that if your Dad did give up on this one, he did have something of a responsibility himself to find a new one immediately.

S'all



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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You can probably see that as an individual, I have a hard time trusting doctors anymore, except for my sister-in-law, of course. Unfortunately, there is good reason for this in my recent life. Its sad, because I wouldn't be here today if it hadn't been for a couple of excellent surgeons. One I can't really talk about, the other recognized I had a ruptured appendix and rushed me into emergency surgery.

My GP at the time (I was twelve) kept saying I had the stomach flu, until the day after my appendix burst, when he said maybe I should see a specialist about it.

I know there are a lot of really good doctors out there, but I think there are even more dangerous hacks who shouldn't be allowed to practice automobile repair. The thing is, you can be taking your life into your hands everytime you choose a PCP. Do your homework people! Check with the state licensing board at least, or whatever entity monitors your new doctor's work. Ask tough questions about their approach to medicine and health. Trust your instincts and don't stick with anyone you have misgivings about.

So, don't hate me because I'm a lefty, don't trust doctors, and am exceptionally intelligent and insightful, ok Tinkie-Winkie?



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 07:15 PM
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Doctor? What be this hospital you speak of? Are you kidding? I wouldn't go near those butchers and drug dealers, even when I am sick! Tonsilitis, fever in 100's, constant nosebleeds for no reason, ralphing, no matter what it is, no butchers! Hell rather go to a vet, they are use to dealing with patients who bite.



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Full Metal
s! Hell rather go to a vet, they are use to dealing with patients who bite.


And they're also used to putting such animals to sleep....



Iccy, you know I think you're grand. I know we disagree on some stuff, but you also know that when all's said and done, we're both just trying to fight for what's right for the patient...and sometimes, doctors are patients too.

And if you call me Tinkie Winkie once more, I'm going to hit you with my purple triangle
Or at least wave it at you or something...gah, that darn nonviolence thing keeps getting in the way...




[edit on 13-9-2005 by Tinkleflower]



posted on Sep, 13 2005 @ 09:39 PM
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Fair enough, my friend. It was only after I clicked post reply I realized that was one of the Telies. By then, I was laughing way too hard to make myself change it. Laughing at the ridiculous comparison, not at you. Ah, genuine laughter not directed at putting another down is good for the soul.

You have absolutely nothing in common with that great purple furball. Thanks for being such a sport about it.

Icky



posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 02:57 AM
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I have often made this same arguement before against the anti-gun people.

All the gun deaths combined in the US every year are still well below all the doctor and medical screw-up deaths every year.

Guns dont kill people. Stupidity does.



posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Guns dont kill people. Stupidity does.


In the doctor's "defense", a lot of the time it's not stupidity that gets people killed. It's arrogance. Especially those talented at what they do. They get the patient, read the chart, and think, from their experience, they know what the problem is. If a test comes through saying otherwise, they may disregard it as misrun because they don't think that's what the condition. Lose a patient or two to that, though, and usually they start paying attention to that test, unless they don't like the distributor of that medical device or something.

Pride gets a lot of people killed on the surgical table. It also saves a lot of lives, because there are times where those tests are wrong, and that surgeon's experience saves the person's life.

Then there can also be the Orderly who has worked two back-to-back shifts because they're paying for their medical school and several people called in with the flu, is half asleep, and mislabels a vial. Whoops, their bad, you're dead or maimed. There's a hospital near me that had a guy come in for some minor operation, an appendectomy or something. When he woke up, he was missing his leg. Reason? Clerical error. (I think the mob wanted to learn him a lesson; hey, it is Chicago.)

So it's not always stupidity that gets folks killed in a hospital. It can be arrogance, extended shifts, defective medical equipment, clerical errors, or the mob.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 11:52 PM
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Im not simply refering to doctor screw ups, JJ.

Im talking about everything. Stupid people with guns. Stupid people with cars. Stupid people with a microwave oven. Ect.

It is not the object that kills, but improper use. This includes knowledge.

And my own experience with the medical establishment has shown me that doctor stupidity and arrogance kill more.



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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Actually...i think the saying goes...

"Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

Or

"Guns don't kill people, I kill people"

haha, i saw that on a shirt.



posted on May, 31 2006 @ 05:13 AM
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but are they actually the Doctor's screwups? or are they deliberate?

When was the last time you were in a paliative care ward?

It is horrible just waiting for someone to die, watching them suffer...morphine on demand works very well and very quickly. Yanno, soon as it reaches that stage they are assisting the patient to die.

I think we need more Dr Death's.

Euthansia needs to be available and legal...so people can die with dignity!

Spiritually speaking, whether you die by Gun or malpractice it doesnt matter, its your time. Its just a means to the end.



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