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Chinese Weapons Designer: “Magic Weapons” To Prevent Taiwan Independence

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posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 01:35 AM
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The Hong Kong newspaper Ta Kung Pao issued a story on March 11 citing a Chinese weapons designer, Chief Designer Xu Zhongxin of the 203 Institute of the Ministry of Weaponry Industry and a member of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference [CPPCC], disclosing that China possesses unique “magic” weapons and equipment which even Russia and the United States do not have, for the purpose of smashing the “Taiwan independence” separatists. An excerpt:

In recent years, there has been one report after another about Taiwan’s secret development of offensive missiles. The international military magazine “Jane’s Missiles and Rockets” once disclosed that the Taiwan troops are seizing the time to develop and equip themselves with offensive short-range and middle-rage ground-to-ground missiles. Various signs have indicated that the Taiwan authorities are stepping up the implementation of their “defensive countermeasures” strategic plan and are striving to increase their chips for rejecting reunification by force.

Regarding Taiwan’s “countermeasures”, Xu Zhongxin said that the information about Taiwan’s developing missiles on its own is believable, but it is doubtful whether or not their performance is as good as it has boasted. As an old saying goes: Where there is a spear, there is a shield. Taiwan has missiles that can reach the coastal areas or even further to the hinterland, but the mainland has already established the early warning system, the ground-based intercept system, and the super short range anti-missile system, which are more than sufficient to deal with those missiles.

Xu Zhongxin said that the Chinese armed forces have the confidence and capability to smash any scheme attempting to separate Taiwan from China and have the capability to win a local war. If Chen Shui-bian and his like are bent on having their own way, the outcome will be war. War is a tragedy to both sides of the strait. It may cause China’s economy to fall back by 20 years, but the Taiwan people will suffer grievous losses. Such an outcome is something none of us wishes to see.


source : search.ft.com... yConcept=&state=More&vsc_publicationGroups=TOPW&searchCat=1

[edit on 25-3-2005 by Stealth Spy]




posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 01:46 AM
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Can anyone say lost in translation?

To say "magic" in Chinese like that doesn't really make sense, i have a inkling on what the Chinese guy said, it is most likely "secretive" but can be understood to be "mysterious".



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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All I got from that was that they were convinced they could destroy Taiwan, but they are not counting the United States in the equation. They say they can deal with Taiwan's short rage missiles, but how about the B-2s coming in to China?



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Probably flying broom sticks and magic wands.



Silly China-men, crack is for bums.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 07:44 PM
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lets keep the racist remarks to a minimum please?

i agree with rapier28, "magic" is probably a poor translation for something that means secret.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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I like the idea that there was a mistranslation. Probably it should be "secret" weapons, or else they are talking about some other means of influence, not necessarily weapons. Of course, maybe they were talking about mushrooms...



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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I wonder if this is a bluff, or if its somewhat like the nazi 'wunder' weapons?



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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...disclosing that China possesses unique “magic” weapons and equipment which even Russia and the United States do not have, for the purpose of smashing the “Taiwan independence” separatists.


Only goes to show how worried and "in fear" the Chinese are of Taiwan asserting a declaration of independence.

They have to go off an "invent" weapons that the Russians nor the Americans are "aware" of. *cough* Yeah right....

For China to 'invade' Taiwan will ultimately prove to be disasterous to themselves. The Taiwan economy alone is one reason China would not attempt an invasion. Taiwan's economy, if kept intact, would only serve to enhance the Chinese economy and they know this, as do the Taiwanese.

China's continued decades old rhetoric towards Taiwan is to get Taiwan to capitulate to their exerted military "reprocussions" and threats. China's only hope of getting Taiwan back into a "whole" China is to bribe and buy its way into power in Taiwan. Any other way will prove to be disasterous for Taiwan, China, and the rest of the world.




seekerof

[edit on 25-3-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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LASER WARFARE.

In terms of Laser Warfare, China is the leader in the pack. one only need
to look into the Type 98 MBT to see how. Remember, Type 98 was introduced
in 1998, which was 7 years ago. Since then, the US and Russia did not have
anything close to the Dazzler system. so it is fair to say that China is leading
them by around decade or so.



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Secret weapon?

all they need is to keep spending and it's innevitable Taiwan will eventually integrate economically



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by tAoW
LASER WARFARE.

In terms of Laser Warfare, China is the leader in the pack. one only need
to look into the Type 98 MBT to see how. Remember, Type 98 was introduced
in 1998, which was 7 years ago. Since then, the US and Russia did not have
anything close to the Dazzler system. so it is fair to say that China is leading
them by around decade or so.


Ever heard of the Stingray Countermeasure System?

It was deployed on some bradleys during the first Gulf War:

"The Stingray, which can be employed on the battlefield as an adjunct direct-fire system mounted on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle [CFV and BFV], is a prototype combat protection system under development to enhance survivability against enemy optical devices. The Stingray can counter multiple ground and aerial weapons under almost all battlefield conditions by detecting and jamming enemy optical sighting systems before the weapons can be fired. The Stingray provides a low energy countermeasure to disrupt the threat fire control systems and provide enhanced survivability for the host vehicle. Two demonstrator systems were deployed to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, but were never used. Demonstrator models are currently housed on Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Current fielding plans will assign three Stingrays to each scout platoon equipped with the Bradley CFV. There is no current fielding plan for HMMWV-equipped scout platoons. "



China is not ahead in any aspect of military technology. All they do is copy, copy, copy. The other day I saw a photo of a copy that the made of the US Avenger air defence system. It was sitting on a copied version of the HUMVEE. China did not invent anything. The US and Russia have been researching and using lasers since the late 60s, early 70s.


[edit on 3/26/05 by jetsetter]



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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My opinion 2: Best and Worst Situation

1.Best

The best sitiation is there will be no war and Tainwan back to China by herslf. (The fact is Only about 40% people in Taiwan want to independent)

China should still focus on her Economics as long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence....After 20 year, Taiwan will go back by herself when the chinese econimic have reached or near US and more decromacy.

2. Worst

If Taiwannese govement declare independence, There definnetly will be War No doubt..

Quote: To Prevent Taiwan Independence; Willing to Set Economy Back 20 Years if Necessary

Source: www.missilethreat.com...

You may see this is a stupid decision...But If you have a look history you see Tainwan issue is complex. Since it is a chinese territoryis of the former Chinese JangJieShi govement, but they lost the civile war, runed to Taiwan..
All (definitly over 99.99%) the Chinese in mainland see Taiwan is always a part of China and should be back.

If the Chinese govement can't take taiwan back. Then They will be collapsed by thier nationalist soon after the war. So I believe That's the only Choice they have to die-hard take Taiwan whatever the price they going to pay. They simply have no other Choices.

[edit on 26-3-2005 by wfliu]



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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China is not ahead in any aspect of military technology. All they do is copy, copy, copy. The other day I saw a photo of a copy that the made of the US Avenger air defence system. It was sitting on a copied version of the HUMVEE. China did not invent anything. The US and Russia have been researching and using lasers since the late 60s, early 70s.


[edit on 3/26/05 by jetsetter]

I don't really aggree with you... It's not about technical they can't invent but it's all about whether it's economical worth to spend to do the invent..Reverse Engineering is much cheapter to get what they want. But if they have to be in the cod war to rival with another superpower. I believe they definitly can get what they want by themself... They don't want to put themself into a posion of former soviet cos they know they can't rival in term of econimic. They know they will be collapsed and to become a second Russia. They are in far better situation than Russia now. So Chinese actually is smarter than Russian.


Nothing more, All about money

See the link: China Now Test-Flying Homemade AWACS
www.washingtonpost.com...

Also a book: Code Name Kindred Spirit: Inside the Chinese Nuclear Espionage Scandal
www.amazon.com...=1111877902/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-2861180-4540910?v=glance&s=books



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by jetsetter

Originally posted by tAoW
LASER WARFARE.

In terms of Laser Warfare, China is the leader in the pack. one only need
to look into the Type 98 MBT to see how. Remember, Type 98 was introduced
in 1998, which was 7 years ago. Since then, the US and Russia did not have
anything close to the Dazzler system. so it is fair to say that China is leading
them by around decade or so.


Ever heard of the Stingray Countermeasure System?

It was deployed on some bradleys during the first Gulf War:

"The Stingray, which can be employed on the battlefield as an adjunct direct-fire system mounted on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle [CFV and BFV], is a prototype combat protection system under development to enhance survivability against enemy optical devices. The Stingray can counter multiple ground and aerial weapons under almost all battlefield conditions by detecting and jamming enemy optical sighting systems before the weapons can be fired. The Stingray provides a low energy countermeasure to disrupt the threat fire control systems and provide enhanced survivability for the host vehicle. Two demonstrator systems were deployed to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, but were never used. Demonstrator models are currently housed on Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Current fielding plans will assign three Stingrays to each scout platoon equipped with the Bradley CFV. There is no current fielding plan for HMMWV-equipped scout platoons. "


China is not ahead in any aspect of military technology. All they do is copy, copy, copy. The other day I saw a photo of a copy that the made of the US Avenger air defence system. It was sitting on a copied version of the HUMVEE. China did not invent anything. The US and Russia have been researching and using lasers since the late 60s, early 70s.


[edit on 3/26/05 by jetsetter]











hina has recently revealed the surface-to-air missile (SAM) version of its TY-90 IR-homing, short-range air-to-air missile (SRAAM), which was originally developed in the late 1990s as the world’s first dedicated AAM for attack helicopter gunships. The SAM is used as a part of an integrated air defence weapon system known as Yitian. China North Industry Co. (NORINCO) is currently prompting the system to the international market, but it is not clear whether the PLA will be interested in acquiring any of this system.

The Yitian air defence weapon system was first revealed by NORINCO in late 2004. The system consists of eight missiles, a target acquisition radar, and an electro-optical passive tracking director. According to the brochure of the NORINCO, the Yitian system has a reaction time of 6~8 seconds. The 3D radar has a maximum detecting range of 18km, and a maximum tracking range of 10km. In clear weather condition, the system could also use its electro-optical passive tracking director, which has a maximum range of 12km.

The system adopts a modular design, which enables it to be carried on various wheeled or tracked chassis. One design revealed by NORINCO showing the mounted on a WZ-551 6X6 wheeled armoured personnel carrier (APC). Another image showing the system carried by a Dongfeng Motor EQ2050 high-mobility vehicle. The system can be operated by a crew of three (driver, commander, and missile operator).

Eight ready-to-launch missiles are contained in box-shape launchers. The missile has a specially designed seeker for attacking helicopters that operate in near earth environments with strong sources interference. The missile also has a 3kg HE warhead to ensure enough damage to the armour-protected attack helicopter gunships. The operation range for the missile is 300m to 6km.

The Yitian air defence weapon system is designed mainly to provide mobile, low-altitude air protection against low-flying helicopters and other airborne targets for the armoured troops. Its concept is similar to the U.S. M2 Bradley Stinger fighting vehicle, but its warhead is much heavier than the Stinger missile, which originated from the man portable air defence (MANPAD) missile.


Seems China is ahead in some areas after all



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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China ahead in Laser weapons by a decade? Please don't make me laugh.
Look up THEL and the new Airborne Laser program. The U.S. will have the THEL laser system on Humvee’s by 2010-2013 that will be able to shoot down missiles, artillery shells and rockets.
Why don't you explain and post some links to us about what this “Dazzler” system does, I’m going t o laugh by A off if its some laser rage finder.

And that picture above is a bad reverse engineered Humvee with what looks like a Stinger type of system on it. Like the one below, Copy Copy Copy.



[edit on 26-3-2005 by WestPoint23]



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23


And that picture above is a bad reverse engineered Humvee with what looks like a Stinger type of system on it. Like the one below, Copy Copy Copy.


[edit on 26-3-2005 by WestPoint23]


I don't understand how it can be a copy when...

1. The HMMWV utilises US made componants legally imported and built under license

2. The AAM system is completely original being the worlds first dedicated short range anti-helicopter/UAV system

3. Norinco is a semi-private company, it does not recieve official government support

Westpoint, please back up your argument



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 05:51 PM
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Well let me explain it to you how it is a reverse engendered Humvee.
All you have to do is take the Humvee’s engineering plans and its basic design form, and try as best to replicate it instead of inventing anew design or vehicle they simply copy. The information I just listen is not hard to find.

Also what do you think our Stinger/Avenger system is for? Shooting down birds? the Stinger/Avenger systems can shoot down helicopters and or UAV’s.



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 06:10 PM
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*sighs*

okay... the HMMWV is not a copy, there are 2 versions

The original GM spec which is built perfectly legally... and an "improved" version which is built using chinese componants.

The improved version allows the Chinese to modify and legally add various other parts as it's not GM per se

Yes of course it's a copy as in based on the GM design... but at the end of the day there are only so many ways you can put 4 wheels and a chassis together.

The stinger is not the same as the Norinco system... they have different fundamental purposes...

The Norinco system is a heavy mechnaised support weapon with integrated radars and anti-jamming

The Stinger was designed as a light portable infantry weapon that was modified for other means.



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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Yeah... “improved” version ok sure, also I don't see any other country with an all purpose vehicle that looks like the hummer. And the Stinger was later replaced by the Avenger system.



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 06:18 PM
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The british land-rover is arguably a better vehicle, being cheaper and more reliable while being generally off road than the HMMVW thanks to it's smaller size.

I can name many millitaries with vehicles similar or supperior to the HMMVW... hell even the chinese have their own design called the FAV... nothing copied there



The avenger is basically and upgraded stinger... still fundamentally flawed



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