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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by Siroos
I said that I believe in Karma, and that what goes around comes around - I didn't say that Karma only works for Americans.... However, I reject this naive notion that this is about the "good" "democracy" delivering Americans vs the evil, barabarian Muslim savages such as the American media wants you to believe.
No, this is about the U.S. on a crusade to:
1) Eliminate the obstacles to its quest for world dominance - This includes subduing, passifying or destroying emerging economical and industrial powers such as China and Iran and to make sure that such nations will not ever become a competitive threat to the U.S.
2) Gain control over the vastest energy sources in the world so that it can assure certain elements in U.S. can satisfy its immense greedy appetite for more wealth.
3) Create huge markets for itself by first bombarding and destroying the infrastructures of the countries attacked, then forcing them to sign lucrative (for the U.S.) contracts for building up that which they destroyed.
4) Creating puppet regimes in the invaded countries which will provide the U.S. the ability and opportunities to culturally Americanize the populations and thus create huge shopping malls out of their countries where U.S. firms can sell everything and anything between nike sneakers to God knows what.
5) Send armies of evangelic missionaries whose aim will be to spread misinformation about Islam (As they are currently very busy doing on the internet and in Satellite TV programs) and to convert Muslims to their Christian fundamentalist beliefs. This way they hope to get rid of the most powerful challenge to American hegemony in the Islamic world.
? I don't follow your reasoning here.... The U.S. and Israel has threatened to attack Iran..... Iran has not beheaded or threatened to behead anyone....
Yes, you got involved in the WW2 because you had to for your own best. Had you not headed for Europe, then the Germans, Italians and Japanese would have targeted you next. It was for your own best.
But the U.S. has bombarded at least 24 other countries after 1945 - 24 other countries!! Who is the agressor here? You can't go on bombing country after country because you do not agree with the kind of political system they have. Plenty of countries around the world do not agree with your political system, but does that give them the right to bomb you? Plenty of countries around the world opposed your apartheid system of segregation but that should not be a good reason enough to launch a military attack on another country.
Oh come on! I don't think that most Germans or japanese regard American troops there as invadors or occupiers. You just have military bases there.
You are an occupying force who invaded their country unlawfully, killed more than 120,000 innocent civilian Iraqis in the process
How do you get that the invasion was over 3 years ago? Iraq was invaded only 2 years ago.
And to this day there are still American and British troops in Iraq - so it's still occupied.
Certainly the insurgents who are not at all friendly towards the U.S. view the presence of American troops who invaded Iraq and killed more than 100,000 Iraqis as occupiers.
Selfish reasons? What could be more selfish than to attack other countries, killing their people devastating their lands, and all for the sake of power and money? That's the mother of all selfishness!
Long live a nuclear capable Iran!
Originally posted by Siroos[Iran's air defenses will take care of the U.S. airforce. The Islamic Republic of Iran not only learnt a lot from the Iran-Iraq war, but it has learnt a whole lot more from the American agression against Iraq, Serbia and Afghanistan. Iran has known for 26 years that it could become involved in a war with the great satan or the little satan, so be sure that they have prepared themselves. And the U.S. or Israel or both will pay a very heavy price should they dare attack Iran - A price they cannot afford!
Originally posted by Asia Minor
The guys an idiot. Calling America names like they have running water in Iran. They still are in the Dark Ages.
Originally posted by Siroos
I guess this is what has happened to you and quite a few other Americans who voted for the clown Bush and his zionist/evangelic alliance of criminals and crooks.
Originally posted by Yorga
Might loose my cushy job. Then I wouldn't be able to pay for my 2100 sq ft home or my $36,000 car, bloody hell.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
Arrogance shall lead to a downfall. The downfall of Iran whose leaders think they can thumb their noses at the international community and violate their treaty obligations to the major powers with immunity. Iran will fall in a fiery cataclysm as the West becomes united against them.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Now, I am not going to guess who is going to win. I would think the US, but be prepared for very heavy causalities on the US side. This is going to be an extremely costly war for American people and American soldiers. Iran is no pushover. You will definitely feel it's force.
Your economy will fall even further, oil will peak, taxes will increase and be prepared for doing service in Iran. I predict there will thousands of US causalities, and I am being very conservative in that estimate. It could even be tens of thousands. Then finally be prepared for the bear and the dragon who will swipe you when you are most vulnerable.
You will be fighting in Iran, Syria and Iraq at the same time. Then, if Russia or China gets involved some time later, you won't be able to fight a multi-sided war. And remember Russia and China can take it as far as your home.
[edit on 24-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]
Originally posted by deltaboy
they may have supplied it, but Hussein used it for other purposes instead of using for farming or others that he told them he would use for. it be like im telling the suppliers that i need metal to build cars but im really using for bullets.
Originally posted by Mr Carburetor
Siroos, you seem like a hypocrite to me and are simply led by your hatred rather than your mind.[/qote]
Sorry that you feel that way. I don't really hate anyone, and certainly not the U.S. as a country or nation. I strongly dislike your current government because it is outright criminal, with the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on its hands. It's funny that you say that I'm led by my hatred rather than by my mind, because outside of the U.S. in pretty much the whole world people were shocked that Americans could vote for a criminal clown like George W. Bush in the second election. The topic here outside of your borders is the stupidity and low IQ of many Americans. I do not share their view that Americans are stupid, but I do believe that too many Americans are extremely naive, unaware, misinformed and lack knowledge.
You jump in here and claim these nasty things about America, and claim they are arrogant and stupid, whereas most of your posts have seemed more arrogant and offensive than any others posting here.
Well, I certainly am sorry to have offended you, but sometimes the truth can be offensive and there's nothing I can do about that. America is driven by arrogance, and I am certainly not the only human being on this planet who has that opionion. And it's not only corporate America and your politicians who are arrogant, but a certain culture which today is projected through TV and media in your country and unfortunately also around the world breeds arrogance, and thus you can see an alarming increase of selfishness, materialism, arrogance and ignorance in your society more than anywhere else, since it emanates from there, but also in other societies around the world because of the access to internet and American TV programs. It's always good to be self-critical. The society which fails to be self-critical is doomed. By going on with the attitude that you are the best and the cradle of freedom and all that bollony you will certainly not only never be able to improve things, but you will head for disaster straight on. The U.S. has so many problems that it may seem like beyond repair at this point, but if mainstream Americans would open up their eyes then I believe there would stilll be hope for the U.S. The U.S. is the only industrialized country in the world where you have no national health coverage. And now your fascist government of crooks are going to rob you of your social security. The cost of medication in your country should be regarded as a violation of human rights. Do you think it's right that a handful of billionaires should become even wealthier at the cost of people who are in dire need of medication to stay alive? Your government is also the only country which under the rule of Bush the criminal clown has refused to sign the Kyoto protocol which seeks to reverse the global warming effect. So holy is money to these greedy crooks that they're willing to wreck total havoc on our planet just to get richer and richer! No my friend, I am not the one who doesn't let my mind lead me.... I am most alert and aware of what is happening in our world today. And what is happening in our world today is frightening!
You deny the facts, and claim simply that a highly motivated Iranian militant would be the death of American soldiers. Well im sure if those highly motivated militants follow your same vibe ......The highly armed, highly trained, better equipped, highly logistic, American soldier who has just as much ambition to protect his life and achieve his mission,......will give the Iranian militant "a nice try!" and pat on the back as he walks by his dead corpse.
What facts have I denied? Can you be more specific? We are discussing a potential U.S. attack against Iran and the outcome of such an attack. There are no facts involved when one expresses an opinion of the outcome of a war. The facts would be how many soldiers the U.S. vs Iran has, or how many tanks, or what kind of equipment, etc., those are facts, but that an American soldier should be better than an Iranian is not a fact - that is an opinion. My view that Iranians will be much more motivated and determined to crush U.S. agressors then American soldiers will be who have been ordered to attack a peaceful country without any justified reason, is also an opinion, not a fact. It is also my opinion that technological superiority and military strength measured in weapons, equipment and training does not at all guarantee victory. And I have facts and evidence to back up my opinion with such as that the Afghan Mojaheds defeated the mighty Soviet army. The main reason that happened was because of the lack of morale on behalf of the soldiers of the Red Army on one hand, and the determination, patriotism and religious fervor of the Afghan Mojaheds on the other. Why would an American soldier be motivated to fight a war in Iran, unless he's simply blood-thirsty? Has Iran attacked the U.S.? Has Iran invaded any country? Has Iran launced any terrorist attacks against the U.S. or supported any such attacks? The U.S. is clearly the agressor here and thus the conscience of any decent human being would lead to him/her feeling a lack of motivation in a potential war on Iran.
I think you are the one who is driven by hate as you so gleefully state: (That the U.S. soldier...) "will give the Iranian militant "a nice try!" and pat on the back as he walks by his dead corpse" - - You sound like a real fascist to me... and you have the guts to accuse me of being "led by hatred"! Your lack of compassion for fellow human beings, your hatred and your joyful desire to kill innocent people is in total compliance with the image the world has today of the U.S. government and some of the people who support it. I think it's a shame that innocent American soldiers are being killed just so that some spoiled idiotic and arrogant brats who are ruling your country should become richer while enjoying their war games. Interesting that though that you within a short paragraph can accuse me of being led by hatred and then make such a disgusting statement about the corpse of a dead Iranian soldier! Is this an American trait to accuse others of that which you yourself are guilty of? I'm asking this because I see a pattern... The U.S. which has a bad case of human rights violations admonishes China and other countries for their human rights violations.... The horrific pictures of U.S. torture of Iraqi prisoners also comes to mind.... The U.S. which doesn't have a good functioning real democracy announces that it has become the deliverer of "democracies" around the world...
Now i am not denying that Iran would put up a much greater fight against the US than Iraq did. I admit Iran is significantly more sophisticated However, The US didn't even mobilize in Iraq for god sake!! Iraq cannot be used as a judement on the capabilities of the US.
I think the underestimation going on must be dumped on the Iranian side just as much as it is on the American side.
Frankly I don't give a hoop about what you think about Iran and it abilities, because you don't know anything about Iran and its abilities. I don't blame you for not knowing anything about the reality in Iran, because you are constantly being fed a bunch of lies and total distortions of reality through your bogus media. It's not a secret that certain insitututions in the U.S. such as the CIA and the U.S. government frequently engage in what is called spreading disinformation in order to pursue their political agenda.
Originally posted by nathraq
This thread is about if the U.S. will defeat Iran in the unlikely event of an invasion.
The answer is simply, yes.
Iran may have 800,000 troops, but they will be fighting against better equipped, better trained, and highly motivated U.S. soldiers. The Iranians would have the advantage of terrain. If we are talking about storming into Iran, and making it into Tehran, then pulling out again, then the U.S. could do this hands down.
During the Iraq-Iran war, Iranian tanks were used as stationary artillery units, instead of what tanks are designed for: swift forward advancement, clearing the way for infantry troops. I would hope that they have learned their lesson.
Originally posted by WeBDeviL
If we wanted to obliterate Iran, we would. Do not let the Iranian propaganda minister tell you otherwise. I'm sorry, my friend - The U.S. would obliterate Iran if the U.S. simply wanted to do that - obliterate the country - not save civilian lives and civilian buildings.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Well good it might keep their morale up knowing that they can beat the U.S. at chess
Originally posted by Apollyon
Well you are sorta right. Iran is a different country than Iraq. I think the US will handle Iran VERY differently. The majority of Iranians remember a time when they were allies of the US and remember then fondly.