Iran is indeed not Iraq - And arrogance has always led to the fall of the greatest empires...

Originally posted by Siroos

Originally posted by Asia Minor
The guys an idiot. Calling America names like they have running water in Iran. They still are in the Dark Ages.

Oh we have much more than just plain running water. Take a look at what we have...

www.worldisround.com...

and when you have done that you can go here:

www.worldisround.com...

I don't know what your problem is, but it seems to me that it's got something to do with some sort of a complex.... and perhaps jealousy.

Your mind is in bad shape sir. Iran doesn't consist of only Tehran. What about the other many cities such as Bam that are clearly Flintstone communities. They were living in mudhouses reminiscent of a hornet's nest with no utilities at all. You barely have enough dams to provide electricity and running water is also another issue in Iran. One city doesn't make a nation. The Passion of the Christ, Ben-Hur perfectly reflect the living condition of the average Iranian. Jealous of your turd-world nation? Be serious. I can watch anything from cartoons to porno in this good ole nation and not be worries about the death penalty. Like to see you try that. This forum would nver hear of from again. We wear sandles by choice and bedtimes robes where as Iranians wear this early garb without choice. Have you ever heard of Nike? Iran has an imitation community in that their best things are of western origin. You have nothing indigenious at all in Iran, down to Islam. Human Rights are worst in Iran than many nations. You said you don't burn people. Who said you did? You certainly do tie people to poles and whip them across the back, sometimes until they pass out. This and the heavy supression by the Iranian government is why the population wants to the the government overthrown. Most Iranians admire WESTERN culture not Iranian culture and despise the mullahs. You are a Nationalist nut not a realistic Patriot. Iran giving the U.S. a punishing defeat is dreamful none the least and you know it. Iran would give the U.S. a hard fight but you speak dreamfully. You said Iran can defeat Israel and the US combined. Your a bored troll that is just looking for some excitement. You don't even beleive your own statements. Iran is certainly a good fighting nation but to say that one can look forward to Iran to take care of the U.S. when you don't even have modern fighters, abundant SAMs and tanks is foolish. the only reason you have what you have is because the U.S. gave it to you 30 odd years ago. Don't hate on us, just apply for citizenship and you can enjoy the modern civilized life. If your in the military, just to let you know, watch out for U.S. subs. Peace.[edit on 26-3-2005 by Asia Minor]

[edit on 26-3-2005 by Asia Minor]

We are not robbign them because we don't have enough.

WE are robbing them so that we are the last nation standing WITH resources.

Hell we all know texas, alaska and california all have reserves estimated at being bigger than those of the middle east.

Just think about it for a second..Why would we use all of our resources when we are in the economic position to buy others?

Why not wait until the worlds resources are depleted and then we are left as the only nation with oil, then we will hold all the cards.....

Think about it

Originally posted by 1wintermute1
[Have you even taken a look at photos from Iraq? We have leveled most of that country and you are going to tell me that no civillians are dying? You can't be that ignorant...can you?

Show me pictures showing most of Iraq being leveled. If the US had wanted that we would have targeted much more of the infrastructure of Iraq. We could have done that but realized that it would be better to target just what we needed to meet our objectives. There is damage to places and yes civillians were killed, that is a sad byproduct of any war when fighting takes place near urban areas. If we would have had to overrun Baghdad in Block to Block fighting then you would have seen the leveling that you speak of. We did not have to do that thankfully for both sides involved, there would have been many more casualties on both sides including many more civillians.

[edit on 26-3-2005 by pavil]

Originally posted by 1wintermute1
Why not wait until the worlds resources are depleted and then we are left as the only nation with oil, then we will hold all the cards.....
Think about it

Apparently, the person doesn't think that deep about issues.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by 1wintermute1
[Have you even taken a look at photos from Iraq? We have leveled most of that country and you are going to tell me that no civillians are dying? You can't be that ignorant...can you?

Show me pictures showing most of Iraq being leveled. If the US had wanted that we would have targeted much more of the infrastructure of Iraq. We could have done that be realized that it would be better to target just what we needed to meet our objectives. There is damage to places and yes civillians were killed, that is a sad byproduct of any war when fighting takes place near urban areas. If we would have had to overrun Baghdad in Block to Block fighting then you would have seen the leveling that you speak of. We did not have to do that thankfully for both sides involved, there would have been many more casualties on both sides including many more civillians.

You are obviously clueless and deserve to be shown nothing. If you do not believe me then research it for yourself. I am not here to change peoples minds......Just to intelligently discuss with those who already know what's going on.

And yes ASIAMINOR you are 100% correct...obviously the person does not think too hard about such things

www.globalsecurity.org... tm

[edit on 26-3-2005 by pavil]

HAHAHAHa pavil!

Why don't you try to post some recent photographs taken from the grounds position?

Like I said I am not here to change peoples minds...yet if you must have links here you go

images.google.com...

Take a second to ignore fox, and find out what is really going on........
It aint pretty

Edited my post wrong here it is from ground level.
picturesinbaghdad.blogspot.com... d_archive.html

Your assertion that the whole of Iraq and it's cities are leveled as you say is just not accurate. Yes there is damage to many cities and yes civillians have been killed and injured including women and children. Again that is what happens in war especially in urban areas and especially when hostilities take place near uninvolved civillians. We will have to agree to disagree however you have still not proved you claim of massivie destruction of Iraq and it's cities.

Originally posted by 1wintermute1
[Have you even taken a look at photos from Iraq? We have leveled most of that country and you are going to tell me that no civillians are dying? You can't be that ignorant...can you?

Pavils got you on this one wintermute, saying we leveled most of Iraq is way outta line.....perhaps if you saw what England did to Dresden, Germany in Feb. 1945, you would get an idea of what "leveled" really means.

This is leveled!!

Maximu§

I am more than familiar with dresden as that is where my grandmother comes from.

And like I already said: No we are not bombing to the same extremes as we were during WWII.

That doesn't change the fact that we are bombing the hell out of the country.

All of he cities you did admit were levelled are the very same ones that Americans have had problems in.

If we have prob...we bomb....

Not to be rude but you can research for yourself, I am not here to educate. If I wanted to do that I would of majored in LA, NOT business....

This thread is an utter joke.

BTW Asia minor

Do you have a link on the US having oil reserves larger then the ME?

I am not questioning you, I would just like to read about it but I haven't been able to find anything.

Thanks in advance

The cities I cited before I messed up my edit to my post were Fallujah and Najaf. While Fallujah took a lot a damage probably the most a city in Iraq has, take look www.globalsecurity.org... e_02.htm it is still not flattened as have some would have you believe. It is the 16th largest city in Iraq approx 250,000 population (2002). Najaf is the 7th largest city in Iraq and most of the fighting took place in the immense cemetary outside of the city. If those cities are the two most overall damaged due to hostilities then I still think you have not proved your point Wintermute. Show me major damage in all of these cities to prove your claim. www.globalsecurity.org...

Originally posted by American Mad Man
This thread is an utter joke.

BTW Asia minor

Do you have a link on the US having oil reserves larger then the ME?

I am not questioning you, I would just like to read about it but I haven't been able to find anything.

Thanks in advance

I am the one who claimed America has more resources, not Asia minor

Here you go.
hypertextbook.com...

Even by "world standards" we are the worlds second largest source of natural resources...and this is the official version..yet somehow we don't have these resources? Doesn't make sense huh?

Of course we wouldn't lie to make the rest of the world think that we don't have oil...of course not.......with all due respect....do your homework...after all we are discussing "proven resources" which ae nothing more than an estimate as to how much is actually recoverable

[edited due to ineptitude]


[edit on 26-3-2005 by 1wintermute1]

Just a moment to inject some sanity into this thread (Adrop of wter in a barrel of mud).

We are not bombing Iraq anymore. We are building the country back up at this time.
Fallujha was not in any way devastated, and is now being rebuilt. It is also no longer a stronghold for insurgents.

Yes, America has great resources. The oil in ANWAR could replace the oil supplies of Venesuala and Saudi Arabia for decades.

Now, continue with the insanity for a few more hours. The nurses will be around in another 3 hours with your meds.

LOL! thanks for the much needed "inference" of "sanity"

Speaking of which where are those accurssed nurses?......

Falloujah was not levelled my friend ???? .......

images.google.com...

For an objective account please see....
www.dahrjamailiraq.com...

If you see buildings standing then by all menas please correct me.....after all I am only human, thereby making me subject to all the obvious fallacies.......

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Just a moment to inject some sanity into this thread (Adrop of wter in a barrel of mud).

We are not bombing Iraq anymore. We are building the country back up at this time.

Thanks for that bit of "sanity" - my body seems to want to vomit that up though!

All of those gopgle links you provide so not show me leveling all I see is a few houses destroyed and something on fire can quite tell form the picture what it is. But that is not leveling. The picture someone provided of WWII where there is on one in sight and all there is are shells of buildings remaining falluja is no where near that.
If you guys call a few houses destroyed or damaged leveling then you have a very very high standard of war that will probably never be met because something is bound to de destroyed especially when there are people attacking you form inside of it.

The google links I provided were just the tip of the iceberg....please take the time to search through them all.

If you can not take it upon yourself to do independant research than you are no differenct from the sheep who deserve to be led to the slaughter.....

Scratch beneath the surface (as hard as that is despite your american education)....you might actually find something resembling knowledge.

Even the US Navy admitted that between five and ten percent of the city's buildings were destroyed, and that roughly one third of the homes in the city were damaged enough to be considered uninhabitable.

Also remember that US forces did not allow any males over 15 to leave the city before the assault, only women and small children. I doubt all those men and teenage boys were insurgents. I wonder how many of those civilians died by American arms?