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What did I claim the early church fathers said? .....
..... When one follows the writings of the early church fathers, where one is well acquainted with the NT, it can clearly be seen the additions to the 4 gospels, as well as a correlation to the surfacing of the epistles addressing the issues as the debate raged.
Originally posted by jake1997
Jesus being Marys son, who is the wife of Joseph, makes Jesus the heir of Joeseph.
How hard is that to understand? If Joseph had a problem with it, he wouldnt have married her.
Jesus being Marys son, who is the wife of Joseph, makes Jesus the heir of Joeseph.
Little is known of her personal history. Her genealogy is given in Luke 3 (see below). She was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32).
One obviously has to take it very slowly with you, by teaching you first how to understand what you read in order for you to then counter on point and with logic. My patience is limited with those who post fatuous rebuttals, since I expect they have the basic requirements to debate: remedial comprehension and knowledge of the subject. But I will give it one more try to see if you can actually muster that ability.
Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Somewhere:
You wrote it. I read it. The church fathers.
Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the right to ascend the Jewish throne, both through Mary and through adoption by his foster father, Joseph. Mary's genealogy is supplied in Luke 3:23-38. Dr. Henry Morris explains the genealogy in Luke:
"Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says 'son of Heli'] should be understood to mean 'son-in-law of Heli.' thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word 'son' is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either 'son' or 'son-in-law' in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David--Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon's line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah's sin" [Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I can assure you that Biblical doctrine is indeed divinely inspired.
I am so happy for this st. John, but who exactly was he other than a name attributed to a disciple and your believing that he in fact wrote that gospel? My very educated guess as to how fake he is, is far better than your indoctrinated and parroted notion on whom he might be. For example, let us take your 95ACE. Jesus supposedly started preaching at aged 30, unless he was in the habit of procuring mere boys into his army, John would be at least 20. By the year 95, John was 95 years old. Hardly likely for a)a human 2,000 years ago, and most definitely unlikely that a 95 year old would: b) have infallible recollection of events much less sayings; c)have any wits about him to think much less write. In case you missed it in several of my other posts, Clement claims this same John attests to Jesus having lived into his fifties. Why did you avoid Clement?
Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Somewhere,St. John the Evangelist, states that Jesus is the Son of God. His gospel was written in year 95(a.d)., with the help of St. Mary Magdalene. Now, I said his gospel was “written” it was spoke from the day of Pentecost.
So what? That is found throughout the Bible for all likes of men.
The Virgin Mary, in her letter to St. Ignatius, calls him the Son of God.
First, there is no virgin; secondly there is no legitimate letter; third, Ignatius has no such corroborated letter, fourth. “Ignatius” was a disciple of disciples of Clement as well as of Theophilius (I will let you hunt up the info on him), where ‘Ignatius’ was Syrian, had no clue who Jesus was other than what he was told(trace Onesimus and you will find this); was born too late (unless of course you wish to believe Clement’s 50ish story) to be the child bounced on Jesus’ lap or one of those he blessed.
St. Ignatius, wrote a letter for men such as yourself. He calls him, the Son of God.
St. Ignatius is the little child, mentioned in this Gospel. He was the first Bishop of Antioch.
Can I use Mary Shelly to prove Frankenstein existed?
Matthew 18:3-6…