I wonder about this bird flu because they have been sayig there is going to be a pandemic from november and yet, it isn't here yet. doesnanyoen know hwen it is likely to come to britain?

This is an interesting bold statement:

"That is the shape of the event we are going to have to deal with," he said.

Sound like a real brazen acknowledgment by this unnamed British government official on the inevitability of the Avian bird flu hitting the UK. As if he or she is betting on it.

Hmm.....

Well it is still confined to Vietnam, although there are two nurses carrying the infection and they are isoloated according to the Viet Government. I think the figures above are really Government Happy Smoke in your face, considering the inevitable sickness of those in the health fields, that will trigger an even greater death toll. Sorry to be so blunt, but I really don't think the Government is taking all the factors into consideration.

Here's my number: 3,298,000 dead.

Holy....im scared because on tv(canadian tv) a couple of weeks ago it said on the news that they took the best doctors and scientists from across my Country to plan for the epidemic because they say it will kill one in three of us so with 30 percent of the healthcare sick they are going to have mass anidiote sessions in school gyms but then are worried about further spreading the virus....i dunno
(sorry about the spelling)

Here's my number: 3,298,000 dead.

Here's mine: 0 dead.

Wasn't there a story about the same thing from some British official posted a few weeks ago?

Originally posted by the_oleneo
This is an interesting bold statement:

"That is the shape of the event we are going to have to deal with," he said.

Sound like a real brazen acknowledgment by this unnamed British government official on the inevitability of the Avian bird flu hitting the UK. As if he or she is betting on it.

Hmm.....

That is a really scarey thought, I hope they are being over cautious.

You know what's really scary?

That there are low-ranking members of al Qaeda in the southeast Asia who can infect themselves with the bird flu and fly to the United States on fake visas, passports or smuggle into the United States from elsewhere and then walk among the general public, spreading the Avian virus?

I highly doubt that would happen concidering there Al-Qaeda all over the middle east they could fly to the states buy a gun and go ape# on a bunch of people but they dont........

Originally posted by Soul_Contagious
I highly doubt that would happen concidering there Al-Qaeda all over the middle east they could fly to the states buy a gun and go ape# on a bunch of people but they dont........

There are active al Qaeda cells in the southeast Asia, militant Asian Muslims are as devoted to a major jihad against the United States and the West as the Muslims in the Middle East. They are as willing to die for Allah as long as they can carry out any destructive task.

I recalled that health experts in the US were concerned about members of al Qaeda who could infect themselves with a deadly contagious virus and spread it among the general public. So far that hasn't happen, but still the potentiality for it still exist among the concerns of health and counterterrrorist experts.

Have you seen the third season of "24"? If you haven't, rent and watch it, you should get the idea.

[edit on 3/22/2005 by the_oleneo]

I think this may be an attempt to "desensitize" us to the fact that the govt.'s may start using biowarfare. There has been a good deal of news about in the past few months. Any way it goes, it's going to start getting rough in the near future.

Originally posted by junior_smith
I wonder about this bird flu because they have been sayig there is going to be a pandemic from november and yet, it isn't here yet. doesnanyoen know hwen it is likely to come to britain?

Maybe this increased awareness is having a positive effect. If it is spreading rapidly they would not be able to contain news for very long. The medical community is a tight one and people know someone almost everywhere. Id have to take off my shoes and yours to count the number of PICU's where I know someone working there. Word would spread out. However, if medical staff's get hit hard, then we are really screwed. MD's and nurses will simply stay at home rather than put thier families at risk.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

Here's my number: 3,298,000 dead.

Here's mine: 0 dead.

Wasn't there a story about the same thing from some British official posted a few weeks ago?

Probability of a flu epidemic : 100%
Probability of people dying of flu : 100%
probability of flu virus mutating : 100%

The H5N1 is a particularily nasty one that is currently confined to birds with occasional transfer to humans. But viruses mutate and its simply a matter of time. The only unknown is how virulent the mutated strain will be. It could mutate to a less harmful form in which case the death rate will be confined to the elderly and sick like most flu outbreaks. If it retains its potency then the deathrate will be far higher than the government estimates. They are stuck between being honest about the danger and being accused of panicking the public. For example both viewpoints are expressed here all the time about government announcements so you can see their dilemma ! They have to pick a number that lies between the two viewpoints hence the low number chosen that's still big enough to make people take note of the danger.

A quietly expressed number amongst scientific circles is 2million dead in britain alone if the strain retains its potency.

Just a quick question to those interested,

Why would the british government weaponize bird flu and make it airborn... were they not happy with its limited infection/spread potential ?

Why is it being kept quiet ? As the 2012 olympics approach dont you think with the international travel to Britain form around the world a responsible government should be taking certain basics steps to avoid becoming infected or at the least informing us the sheeple on mainstream media so we can take our own pecautions.

If your wondering when bird flu will make an appearance here on a more aggresive scale then there is your answer...... if your looking for a simple answer, this is what you will all believe and will be programmed to believe, i have no doubt.

"Breaking news : A mutatated strain of the H5N1 virus has started spreading through Britain. We suspect it has come from one of the foreign camps or supporters travelling from other parts of the world .... possibly from the"Indonesia" area.

This will provide a perfect excuse and cover for the introductiong of the virus in Britain.........

If i lived in London or was travelling there for the olympics then i would seriously reconsider

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !!!!

The thing is that when these pandemics kick off the result is pretty serious.

From a risk perspective, it is appropriate for the UK government to be as prepared as they can. It is likely not going to happen and we'll all bleat about the waste, but if it did happen then perhaps we'll all be quietly thankful that the government had a plan.

To remind...

Asiatic Flu 1889-90 est. 1 million perished
Spanish Flu 1918-20 est. 50 million
Asian Flu 1957-58 est. 2 million
Hong Kong Flu 1968-69 est. 1 million
Swine Flu 2009-10 greater than 18K

In the developed West we have decent health care. Spare a thought for the rest of the world.

Regards

hasn't it been established that bird flu has a 50% kill rate with medication and a 90% kill rate without, so where does this number of 750,000 come from, if it does hit most of the medical staff will undoubtedly stay off work due to fear so people need to realise this could be a lot worse than the so called goverment official is making out.

Originally posted by welshpete
hasn't it been established that bird flu has a 50% kill rate with medication and a 90% kill rate without, so where does this number of 750,000 come from, if it does hit most of the medical staff will undoubtedly stay off work due to fear so people need to realise this could be a lot worse than the so called goverment official is making out.

H5N1 in Humans
China. On December 31, a 39-year-old male bus driver died a week after being admitted to a hospital with a fever. The Shenzhen Disease Control Center confirmed that he died from the H5N1 bird flu strain that is intransmissible from human to human.
took this off usgs website disturbing huh.

I call fearmomgering.

same estimates have been around when the swine flu hit couple of years ago.
I knew severeal people who got it. They had a nasty flu, stayed at home for 4-6 days and showed up for work after that.

You know that the normal flu kills hundreds a year? Most of them elderly persons or persons who have a weak immune system from other diseases. it happens every year.

at the same time there are 2-3 millions of people dying of malaria, and the press does not even mention that.

so use basic hygiene (washing hands, cover your mouth while sneezing or coughing, etc) and relax.

fear does not make you healthier, nor does big-pharma.

Originally posted by Soul_Contagious
Holy....im scared because on tv(canadian tv) a couple of weeks ago it said on the news that they took the best doctors and scientists from across my Country to plan for the epidemic because they say it will kill one in three of us so with 30 percent of the healthcare sick they are going to have mass anidiote sessions in school gyms but then are worried about further spreading the virus....i dunno
(sorry about the spelling)

Alarm bells would be ringing in my head at the sugestion of this, i would cut off contact with the outside world before i took my kids to a mass vaccine session hoping that it really is an anti viral that we are being injected with.

Tamiflu isnt gauranteed to work and really is a hit or a miss. Tablets can be issued just as easily if not easier and safer than arranging mass vaccines. My neighbours were issued with the tamiflu vaccine(in the form of tablets) around two years ago as they work in international haulage along with many others around me working in similar jobs where you come into contact with oversees material.

I really cant see the logic in this and would make me extremely worried, I suspect they will eventually make it mandatory for everyone "to prevent the spread"

Question everything .... things are not as they seem !!