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Username Weise here at ATS was Minn. Shooter Killer

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posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
OMG, he's just a baby...what a shame...


Yes, the signs of this can often be very subtle and easily missed in the day to day lives of people. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there was nothing anybody here on ATS could have done to prevent this nor his classmates, teachers, or anybody who knew in in person. Cries for help are often quiet and missed though no fault on anybodies part.

Looking back we can take an seemingly innocent post and perhaps find a correlation, but its simply idle speculation. I deal with death on a weekly basis and you will never be prepared for the sadness that follows an event like this. It matter not that we knew none of the victems or that we perhaps had passing contact with the person who shot all those people, it still affects us emotionaly.

Looking out for each other is something all of us should aspire to here on ATS




posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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What did I miss??? what when, how???? I just found out on this thread.
Oh man, I feel for the families of the victims


Next thing we know there gonna blame his actions on the media, TV, movies......this is bad news.


Just prey for the families, thats all I can do



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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Being on this site or any others, people come to be apart of something. Its hard to tell on the net if someone is saying thing just to get noticed or if its true. Looking back Now at his post, sure there are plenty of signs, but you cannot tell how real it is.

He was questioned last year, I bet they didnt mention that in the news.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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Great find on this one, but I have to say this is absolutely awful. My heart goes out to him and his family (and of course, all of the innocent victims and their families). He clearly was just a normal kid with a lot of problems. I've suffered all my life with mental illness and for all outward appearances I look like a normal person. Later, in my adult life, I've sought treatment. But when I was 16 years old, I didn't have the resources to get mental health care. My parents didn't try either. Luckily I turned out OK and never hurt anyone. But this poor kid didn't even have a stable family like I did. It really is a tragedy. If we can learn anything here, I think it's that all of us need to be observant and understanding with all of the kids we come in contact with. That way, we could try to get them the help they need. The worst part of this tragedy is that it probably could have been prevented if the people around him showed a little more empathy.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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Such a horrible and sad incident. I feel for the loved ones of the victims, and Weiss. It's a tragedy that has no real answers. We can try and decipher all of his posts, but we will never find any true answers. No one can ever really no what is going on in anothers mind. I believe that it is healthy to ask questions though, to try and make some sense of this madness. I pray for that small community right now.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Being on this site or any others, people come to be apart of something. Its hard to tell on the net if someone is saying thing just to get noticed or if its true. Looking back Now at his post, sure there are plenty of signs, but you cannot tell how real it is.

He was questioned last year, I bet they didnt mention that in the news.


It looks to me like he wasn't necessarily looking for attention, but just some friendly banter and good advice. That's what I see as the key to his genuineness. For a teenager, I thought Weise expressed himself very well.

Peace



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Hello...this is Valhall...just weighing in on my daughter's account...

As a guest that no longer logs in I would like to say the following two things:

1. Kudos to whomever decided to bring this back to the public forum. What happened with this disturbed young man cannot be taken as a some dark shadow on the ATS community. This was a young man that was haunted by the mental demons that many of us luckily have never had to battle, and many of us cannot comprehend. The only shadow some of us may have right now is the overwhelming feeling we may not have paid attention enough...that there was something personally we could have done or said. That feeling will be on an individual basis...not a community basis. ATS as a community does not claim, nor need the responsibility of caring for the mentally disturbed.

2. Speaking just as a human being that enjoys devoting part of my real life to a society made up of other people's written words I will personally be taking away the following lesson:

The words we read on discussion forums like this can so often be taken as nothing but written content...i.e. the facts - the message and that's it. But behind those written words is a face and a heart trying to communicate. It is so easy to completely dismiss the existence of that face, of that heart of another child of God when we cannot see them. But maybe there is something **I** (read we) can do that allows me to grow as a person in the cyber world, the same way we each (hopefully) are trying to grow in the real world. To read as if the expression can be seen. To listen to the screams and the whispers that are muffled by the pixels. To ask (in private) if there is anything that needs to be discussed. To tell some one that we feel may be in need of nothing more than kindness...I care and I will be your friend to the best of my pixelated ability.

To all my family and friends here at ATS - this is a sad day. I cry. I just want every one here to know, that even though I no longer log-in...I care about you guys...I'm grateful I was able to get to know you...and I'm listening to the words behind the pixels.

God bless all of you...my prayer is that each of us become better stewards to each other. The world needs a lot more kindness - this boy needed it...I missed that.

With love and a sad heart...Valhall.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:14 PM
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Doc L, I agree he did, I am just saing he could have been a 38 year old man or a 14 year old girl. We had know way of really knowing.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Ok, this may be dumb question for the ATS Head Honcho!!

Is ATS going to hand over Weise's threads/post to authorities, maybe it can help them get a look at who he is and help decypher whatever it is they decypher?

Just curious, I understand if you cannot answer this.

God bless the Families



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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Amazing. Let us hope ATS members are not accused of fostering and ebetting the Crime he commited unto others, and himself.

Sad, yet we live in a sad world and one should not be surprised that instances like this occure daily; in a world of rampant economic and moral insecurity, an escapist allusion can only go so far.

Deep



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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Hopefully the injured will be spared, and the families will be well taken care of from this tragic incident.

As for him posting on ATS, I don't think most could tell that he would do anything, although he had his thoughts about it, most people do not act upon their thoughts. If I thought/posted about seeing an ant walking on my driveway and think about killing it, do I do it? I guess it depends on everything that has happened in your life. Did you get attacked by ants when you were little? Did they make fun of you? What could they have done to cause the outlashing of emotion?

I am using ants because I feel if I used any other example, I would feel wrong.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Is there any possibility in the minds of those members on the board, that this might have been a set-up, a false flag? Is there any possibility this young man was innocent?

I've been considering the official account accurate, but there is some nagging doubt in my mind.

To not examine the possibility I think would be wrong.

However, I've been unable to come to any sort of conclusion on the subject. Thoughts?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Is there any possibility in the minds of those members on the board, that this might have been a set-up, a false flag? Is there any possibility this young man was innocent?

I've been considering the official account accurate, but there is some nagging doubt in my mind.

To not examine the possibility I think would be wrong.

However, I've been unable to come to any sort of conclusion on the subject. Thoughts?


Interesting, but he killed himself. It was him and there's no denying it. I'm not sure if he left a note or anything.

I have my mind in conspiracy mode about it, but this is certainly neither the time or place for such theories.

Peace



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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This is a sad tragedy. It is doubtful that anyone on-line could have seen this coming.

One thing that strikes me is a thread a couple of weeks ago about the zombie story incident in Kentucky. Many people thought at first that the police were over reacting. However, follow up stories in the news indicated that there was indeed cause for concern. What if someone had taken a similar action in this case? Could this tragedy have been prevented?

The world is full of what ifs, and we can never truly know how an alternative action would have turned out. Still, it is worth pondering.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:42 PM
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It is really a sad situation. I agree with much that Valhall said. I even went back and re read some of his posts....some were telling in that he mentioned having many problems, it is a shame he couldn't have handled them differently. I am surprised that he apparently killed his grandparents as well....he seemed to be close to his grandmother.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by dev_add
Ok, this may be dumb question for the ATS Head Honcho!!

Is ATS going to hand over Weise's threads/post to authorities, maybe it can help them get a look at who he is and help decypher whatever it is they decypher?

Just curious, I understand if you cannot answer this.

God bless the Families



Although I am not SimonGray I will show you this quote.

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Hope that helps you out.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
My thoughts are with the families.

But.......

There are over four thousand ppl on ATS right now. Over one million ppl come here every month.

Are we to take responsibility for all of them ?



You can only take responsibility for what you offer and deliver to them, and how they treat each other while using the site (I pushed the Reply button way early in the middle of a phone call). The terms & conditions are A-OK on all that.

The topic title needs to be changed: the username was weise not weiss.

I wonder how current the CNN photo was - that looks too young for the look of someone about to take on the world in battle fatigues.

While we may all know that ATS is no training ground for neo-Nazis, I have often questioned the value of this site to young people with a barely emerging view of the world.



[edit on 22-3-2005 by MaskedAvatar]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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Reality can hit you right between the eyes. A lot of people on ATS seem to find particular delight in posting what mainstream people will consider distastefull bantering. Especially rampant anti-americanism. This young man
came here looking for something, probably to see if others shared the same ideology he was leaning towards. I am not one to pull punches and I will call a spade a spade. There are many on this forum that need to take a good look at the hatred and venom they so easily spew from behind their keyboards. Young impressionable minds read this stuff. I for one am especially ashamed at the earlier posters calling for a coverup of information. This is completely outrageous. Trying to remove yourselves
from what happened by removing his post all to save your precious ATS.
Everyone that has ever posted, hatred, vile, venom filled comments about
on ATS can share a bit of responsiblity in this tragedy. This young man wasn't born with these ideas. He got them from hate filled articles, hate filled wedsites and hate filled people that fill up these websites with their never ending posion. Those of you, and you know who you are, should think long and hard about what has just happened. My heart goes out to the families of those who he killed. My heart goes out to this young mans family as well. Children aren't born killers, the ideals are planted in their heads by unthinking irresponsible fools.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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I think its remarkable he mentions on several occaissions to be questioned as suspect of threats against school, I wonder if that really happened, or if he was trying to give some hint between the lines ?

People tell a lot of crap on the net, but many times there is this irresistible urge to leave clues about ones real thoughts....



[edit on 22-3-2005 by Silenus]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Umbrax

Originally posted by dev_add
Ok, this may be dumb question for the ATS Head Honcho!!

Is ATS going to hand over Weise's threads/post to authorities, maybe it can help them get a look at who he is and help decypher whatever it is they decypher?

Just curious, I understand if you cannot answer this.

God bless the Families



Although I am not SimonGray I will show you this quote.

20.) As the main representative (founder, owner, webmaster) of AboveTopSecret.com also reserves the right to disclose personal information when required by law or in the good-faith belief that such action is necessary to conform to the law or comply with a legal process served on myself or the AboveTopSecret.com website, protect and defend the rights or property of the AboveTopSecret.com website, or visitors to AboveTopSecret.com, identify persons who may be violating the law, the legal notice, or the rights of third parties, and cooperate with the investigations of purported unlawful activities.

Terms And Conditions Of Use

Hope that helps you out.


Thanx, But my real question was is ATS going to volunteerly hand it over?

I should have worded it better...thanx anyways



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