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Originally posted by alien
Drogo...I'm apparently part of the problem?
Originally posted by drogo
no i uderstand that but to stop things like this from occureing you have to stop the root cause that is the point. untill you fix the leak in a boat how do you expect the boat not to sink? or do you just blame the guy who was suppost to bail?
isn't there a saying? those who don't pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it. or something to that effect?
Originally posted by The Vagabond
As I see it, here were possible ways to stop this, please select the one you think is most practical and effective:
1. Assign a police officer to every single classroom in America and either arrest or write tickets for bullies. (how else do you propose to stop kids from being kids?)
2. Have a protective custody ward in school, just like they have for victims in prison, so that all the people who get picked on can be together away from the bullies (of course you'll have to extend this program to off campus too if you want it to be effective, so these kids need to be quarantined at all times).
3. When a child displays disturbing behavior especially association with violent groups or ideologies such as nazism, and ESPECIALLY when that child has endured traumatic events recently- afford him a qualified counselor to talk to so that he has an opportunity to get a good grasp on whats going on in his life and what he wants to do about it.
[edit on 23-3-2005 by The Vagabond]
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I put together a page of all of his posts:
It's rather sad to read.
Originally posted by Dr Love
All the conspiracy theorists out there might want to watch out. If this was some kind of conspiracy, the feds might be here to see who connected the dots and got it right.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I would accept your suggestion number 2 above if it were modified to quarantine the bully instead of the victim. The bully is the one who should be punished, whose behavior needs to be modified.
I congratulate your finding your way out of the abyss you have portrayed, and applaud you for having had the fortitude and will power to do it on your own accord and without I presume, aid, for you have mentioned none.
Originally posted by alienSmall bit of history on me:
- Minority from a much lower socio-economic group
- Beaten down more times than I can remember etc.
- Clean, educated, employed and employed for over 8 years working in Community Mental Health and Drug and Alcohol Rehab particularily targetting 'troubled youth'. Instead of taking ALL that anger from younger years and inflicting it on others...its channelled into actually seeing that happens for a reason - perhaps the reason might be that those events instill lessons and strength AND love within us that we can pass over to others walking in the shoes we've walked in.
This condemnation of Weise and all who end up like him is to say that you expect all those who are in the deepest despair, for whatever reason, should have the fortitude like you, to pick themselves up and better their lives, yet you have chosen to help troubled youth. Why would they need your counsel when you feel as strongly about Weise as you do? After all, if he alone is to blame for his maladaption, depression, anti-social behaviour or mental imbalance and responsible for the sole curing of and coping with same, then so too should those you counsel. You obviously spend time with them as an enabler to allow them a brighter future, for I am sure it is not for a weekly game of basketball.
Do I have sympathy for this young guy? No. Sympathy stopped when he started pulling a trigger. From that moment he stepped into a new world, one that you can't come back from...before then, yes, I'd have seen him as a victim of events in his life...he was...and heart goes out to him in that respect...it sucks arse, been there and know it well.
Emphasis applied, and exactly!
Whita- Life isn't fair, but most of us develop the skills to cope. Who are we to judge the ones that didn't have the opportunity or simple luck to survive through it. We can condemn it because it is a danger to society and the innocent tend to suffer, but we need to examine it and look to what WE need to do to stop it happening again.