CDC Limits Reviews of Vaccinated but Infected - Spurring Concerns

Sad thing is....many more traps ahead. The Universe provides checks and balances...hopefully many will get on board as these get exposed more and more.a reply to: Randyvine

a reply to: Bigbrooklyn

Everyone will for awhile be angry that all anyone did was
talk sh1t on the web. All as they let the walls close in.
But seriously there was never a chance to do anything.
And it was easy to make sure there was no chance.

I'll likely be here sniveling right up to the end with the rest
of ATS. Unless the plug gets pulled. You know past the point
of no return it's better to just keep on right?

I sometimes want to lose faith and let the chips fall where they may...But...I grew up on the streets and have much fight left in me. So like you Im going down with the ship if the ship cant right itself..a reply to: Randyvine

a reply to: Bigbrooklyn

At sixty two I can still sling em but at who?

And if I could get to right people I'd be sling'n a heavy sword.

I wouldn't say I've lost faith. I'm just content to see where it leads me.

In time....Im 62 also with nothing left to lose...The enemy has exposed themselves...Soon you may have no choice but to wield that sword and believe me youll know whom to aim for..a reply to: Randyvine

originally posted by: karl 12
Well no it's not but turns out the CDC is not exclusively government controlled and does receive private funding through its 5013c foundation listed on the Dun & Bradstreet database.

The CDC also owns patents on vaccines - can you say conflict of interest?

originally posted by: Bigbrooklyn
In time....Im 62 also with nothing left to lose...The enemy has exposed themselves...Soon you may have no choice but to wield that sword and believe me youll know whom to aim for..a reply to: Randyvine

Well cast me from the same mold and call me Double Soda. You
know pushing thru my sixties these last two years. Watching my
sweetheart grand children's future slip beneath the dark waves.
My wife passing on early in life 2017 at fifty one. Heart failure.

I can see now how I was dead on trusting that it was for the best.
I'm so glad her tender loving heart isn't here for this. That would
be agony for me. But with her gone I can keep the promise I made
to her much easier. She asked me one night if she goes first would
I watch over her grand children? I said, "With a Viking sword always".

Any way that line of defense can be carried out in many ways.
And the older I get, the less time they can give me.

That is touching my friend...my condolences. Those grandkids have a warrior looking over their shoulders and you are a hero. Perhaps God took the good ones so they didnt have to endure whats in store for mankind.a reply to: Randyvine

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

The media has abjectly failed, or willfully abrogated, their responsibility in helping people reason through a risk/reward analysis

'Uhhh.. I'll go with "willfully abrogated" for $10,000 Jason..'

THE MORE YOU KNOW THE WISER YOUR DECISIONS WILL BE.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

While we're on the subject of trustworthiness of agencies like the CDC, I figured I'd post this intriguing case of ....data cleanup? .....narrative refinement? .....alternative facts? (WHOOPSIE that one was only trotted out for the previous POTUS administration).

What we have here is a case of private scientists wanting public money to do their research. The CDC has limited resources and shouldn't be using them on speculative research to appease doom mongers.

Shouldn't this research be carried out by the companies that produced the vaccines?

That's normally how R and D is done. You release your product and you monitor its performance in the market, and if necessary you produce an improved version later on.

The state doesn't monitor the performance of your Washer-dryer or your gas oven.

a reply to: Randyvine

Main Marxist Media

This bugs me. Marxism believes that the primary way that people are divided is class. The MSM divides people by race, gender, and gender identity. Not to mention political affiliation. Therefor the MSM can't be Marxist.

Under Marxism you are what your class is, nothing more, nothing less. If the MSM were Marxist it would defending poor white people from wealthy minorities, people like Oprah would be seen as the enemy, and blue collar white Trump supporters would be seen as part of their base. Not the enemy to be destroyed.

Calling them Marxist is like calling your average American moderate a fascist. The word is being misused so much that it's lost all meaning.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

All very true but the goal is clear. Eliminate the middle class
with corporate socialism and your left with only the rich and the poor.
There for the owners of the MSM along with Oprah and the rest of the
worlds elite are Marxists. The CCP is the model for a one world gov.

And we are heading right for the traditional sacrifice of millions.
The ritual we see at the beginning of most communist regimes.
If I'm wrong it won't be because I was fooled. It will be because of
an intervention.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
What we have here is a case of private scientists wanting public money to do their research. The CDC has limited resources and shouldn't be using them on speculative research to appease doom mongers.

Broadening the study of "breakthrough" cases beyond just deaths and severe hospitalizations is speculative research to you? Ok then.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Shouldn't this research be carried out by the companies that produced the vaccines?

How much less vaccine would they sell if they accurately and honestly reported that one has a chance to get sick even after taking the jab?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
That's normally how R and D is done. You release your product and you monitor its performance in the market, and if necessary you produce an improved version later on.

The state doesn't monitor the performance of your Washer-dryer or your gas oven.

Friend, we're talking about a vaccine, a medicine, a pharmaceutical product, not an appliance.

The CDC should be tracking ALL aspects of the vaccine performance, including /all/ "breakthrough" cases. Not discarding data that frankly helps portray the vaccine in a dishonest light.

Most of the people here understand the workings of pathology and medicine enough to understand that one CAN still become symptomatic (i.e. "catch") COVID after being vaccinated. There are some that do not grasp this idea. Glossing over the counting and reporting of "breakthrough" cases might help to perpetuate the false notion that once you're "vaccinated" you're A-OK, no need to worry, no need to wear a mask or social distance. Not true.

But then, if more people understood that distinction....would they still take the vaccine?

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

FYI: The CDC is NOT to be trusted.

Additional reason why, revealed today: www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened
It's all about money.
All covid vaccines are vaccines of concern to me.
Let's hope Biontech has now enough money to go forward with their cancer mrna treatments. Ugur Sahin, it's all about covid you seem to talk about now. You were working on cancer and saw an opportunity. You have become a man of concern to me. The covid money is piling up, but maybe in between all your interviews you can think about what your life purpose has always been. It looks like you have forgotten.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

The amazing changes that happen in a week. Remember when it was absolutely forbidden to go without a mask vaccinated or not? It is almost like they noticed that a segment of the population had made a couple bucks sewing masks or something and had to wreck that “economy” of self sufficiency too....

originally posted by: zandra

It's all about money.
All covid vaccines are vaccines of concern to me.
Let's hope Biontech has now enough money to go forward with their cancer mrna treatments. Ugur Sahin, it's all about covid you seem to talk about now. You were working on cancer and saw an opportunity. You have become a man of concern to me. The covid money is piling up, but maybe in between all your interviews you can think about what your life purpose has always been. It looks like you have forgotten.

I know people have concerns with mRNA based treatments, and of course everyone is an expert now while not having a clue 3 months ago what it even is. Also their expertise runs the direction of the narrative they want and not so much of any kind of real truth.

The reality is that mRNA is looking to be the next great game changer in medicine. Virus vaccines is just a fraction of the possibilities it looks to provide. The main reason it was able to get here so quickly is because there has already been testing for a couple of decades now and the COVID vaccine is a byproduct of all that work.

In the near future think of getting a mRNA shot and your cancer is gone, times this by 100s of other major illnesses and people might soon understand just how big mRNA might be.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Randyvine

Main Marxist Media

This bugs me. Marxism believes that the primary way that people are divided is class. The MSM divides people by race, gender, and gender identity. Not to mention political affiliation. Therefor the MSM can't be Marxist.

Under Marxism you are what your class is, nothing more, nothing less. If the MSM were Marxist it would defending poor white people from wealthy minorities, people like Oprah would be seen as the enemy, and blue collar white Trump supporters would be seen as part of their base. Not the enemy to be destroyed.

Calling them Marxist is like calling your average American moderate a fascist. The word is being misused so much that it's lost all meaning.

Congratulations, you're actually half way there. Economic Marxism never really took hold in Western countries, hence the reason why the far left has switched gears into Cultural Marxism. The Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie are re-defined and based on ethnicity, race, gender, and sexual orientation now, with some groups being viewed as the oppressors and others the victims.

During the Russian Revolution you could have been lined up on the street and kicked out of out town for having the only brick house on the street by the Bolsheviks. Now a days these modern day Bolsheviks are thirsting to do the same just because you were born with the wrong "jersey color", thus explaining the reason they don't care about blue collar white people as you claim.

How the CDC is manipulating data to prop up "vaccine effectiveness"

Thought some might find this to be interesting.

Actually I may just make a whole new thread on this.

CDC Guidelines pdf

"Objective
Investigate SARS-CoV-2 infections among people who received COVID-19 vaccine to identify trends or clustering in demographic, the administered vaccine, or the infecting virus.

Case definition
A person who has SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen detected on respiratory specimen collected ≥14 days after completing the primary series of an FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccine.

Rationale and request for additional laboratory testing
• CDC and state/local health departments are investigating COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
• CDC would like to receive viral sequence data and respiratory specimens from COVID-19 vaccine
breakthrough cases to assess the frequency of SARS-CoV-2 variant.
• When a case is identified, the health department will contact the laboratory to determine if there
are residual specimens from the positive test (i.e., respiratory specimen) and request that those be
held for shipment to CDC.
• The health department will also request the specimen ID numbers and the cycle threshold (Ct) value
for positive RT-PCR results.
• If your laboratory identifies a COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough case, please report it to your state
health department so they can initiate the investigation with CDC.

SARS-CoV-2 sequence data
• Some COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases will have SARS-CoV-2 sequencing performed at a
clinical, public health, or commercial reference laboratory.
• For cases with sequence data that are already available, please provide the SARS-CoV-2 lineage and GISAID or GenBank accession number to the state health department.

Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing
• Specimen selection
o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28.
o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by
another testing modality may be sent."

I mean, really...this makes no other sense, to me, other than to make it look like the vaccines work. What if we just used a Ct of 28 or less from the get go? Would there have been a pandemic? I suspect NO.