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In 1956, Winston Harper Bostick demonstrated that an amorphous mass of high-velocity plasma has a natural ability to convert a large proportion of its kinetic energy into magnetic energy, contained in an organised toroidal structure. He called this structure a ‘plasmoid’.
Archaeologist and Thunderbolts colleague Peter Mungo Jupp details the criteria of eyewitness accounts that some UFO sightings may in fact be plasmoids. They seem to possess an intelligence, rise and fall to the ground as though being flown, seem to fly in the direction of either magnetic pole, change shape, pulse, and can blink with multiple colours. This ubiquitous property of plasmoids is often recorded as UFO sightings.
Minerals contained in some rocky areas and mountains, especially near fault lines are sometimes able to indirectly produce “luminous plasma balls” of long duration at low height. This can be due to piezoelectric effects when rocks are under stress (especially if of seismic nature) or due to effects similar to a natural battery: both geophysical phenomena have also been simulated in a laboratory
According to this scenario Life forms based on plasma might truly live everywhere in the Universe
originally posted by: easynow
Some people believe this is indeed the explanation for many UFO reports, especially the objects reported near volcanoes..
originally posted by: easynow
I think this is a double edged sword because it may also explain the propulsion methods of the intelligently controlled objects (the real ufos)
All UFO colors stem from energetic, ionizing radiation or radiations, generated by the UFO, which ionize the air.
Of all the visible colors, red and orange correspond to the least energy.
UNCONVENTIONAL FLYING OBJECTS, A Scientific Analysis by Paul R. Hill
Interesting that they reckon they are native to this Planet Earth rather than coming from up there
Lots of speculation about plasma and colour change during acceleration mate - NASA's Paul Hill also thought it may be an artefact of propulsion.
originally posted by: easynow
Are plasmoids the only explanation for UFO's reported near volcanoes ?
New video recently published explores these ideas ....
In 1956, Winston Harper Bostick demonstrated that an amorphous mass of high-velocity plasma has a natural ability to convert a large proportion of its kinetic energy into magnetic energy, contained in an organised toroidal structure. He called this structure a ‘plasmoid’.
Archaeologist and Thunderbolts colleague Peter Mungo Jupp details the criteria of eyewitness accounts that some UFO sightings may in fact be plasmoids. They seem to possess an intelligence, rise and fall to the ground as though being flown, seem to fly in the direction of either magnetic pole, change shape, pulse, and can blink with multiple colours. This ubiquitous property of plasmoids is often recorded as UFO sightings.
Peter Mungo Jupp: UFO or Plasmoid? | Thunderbolts
Link - www.youtube.com...
Some people believe this is indeed the explanation for many UFO reports, especially the objects reported near volcanoes and for many of the reports I have to agree, but I think this is a double edged sword because it may also explain the propulsion methods of the intelligently controlled objects (the real ufos)
Posting this to share the info with everyone and see what others might say about it
So the question is, are plasmoids the only explanation for the objects seen around volcano's ?
Like every other video I've watched from thunderbolts/electric universe, this one is also filled with unbelievable stupidity.
originally posted by: easynow
Are plasmoids the only explanation for UFO's reported near volcanoes ?
I don't just feel sorry for blind followers which blind Dave leads blindly away from the truth, I also feel pity for the astrophysical community for failing to set Dave straight in terms of historical accuracy. It shows how little they know and how little they care about historical truth. Since Birkeland first wrote about electric fields in space, there has *never* been time where EU/PC theory was devoid of qualitative and quantitative predictions and empirical supporting laboratory evidence. There hasn't been a day in the last century when EU/PC theory lacked for qualitative and quantitative evidence to support it.
This volcano stuff is not a main point of electric universe, but this video addresses the general thunderbolts electric universe concepts and what's wrong with them.
Debunking the Electric Universe
none of the photos he shows look like donut shapes to me, hence it's not really clear that they are plasmoids, if they are not donut shaped.
ball lightning or variants of it may be a more accurate description than referring to "donut shaped" plasmoids for ufos which are not donut shaped.
The word plasmoid will be employed as a generic term for all plasma-magnetic entities
en.wikipedia.org...
"They seem to possess intelligence, in that being heavier than air, they rise and fall through the air as though being flown."
That's a truly idiotic thing to say given he's talking about volcanic eruptions, ash basically does the same thing, it's ejected upward, and then moves horizontally and falls to the ground sometimes a long distance away. If that's a sign of intelligence, then one could claim the ash is intelligent.
Debunking the Electric Universe
This volcano stuff is not a main point of electric universe, but this video addresses the general thunderbolts electric universe concepts and what's wrong with them.
originally posted by: easynow
Apparently the term 'plasmoid' is used to describe multiple shapes ...
"The word plasmoid will be employed as a generic term for all plasma-magnetic entities"
OK, if what he is saying is that is an idiotic thing to say, then I would agree.
I think you misinterpreted the context, and he's actually mocking the people saying they're intelligent.
Actually in a way, Wal Thornhill does just that with his pseudoscientific double-speak here:
That is a very misleading video, proponents of the EU do not dismiss gravity .... as the video claims.
So to paraphrase that is saying that what we perceive as gravity is really caused by electricity. He claims that's not a denial of gravity, but, if gravity could be explained by electric forces, it wouldn't be called gravity, it would be part of the theory of electromagnetism. So he's in effect denying gravity even though he claims he's not. The Professor Dave video gives examples of all the ways we can tell that Thornhill's hypothesis doesn't explain observations we have of gravity and gravitational effects.
Where does gravity fit in the electric universe? Contrary to a fairly common misperception, the electric universe does not deny gravity’s existence, nor its role in the cosmos and our own world. Rather, the electric universe theory, as proposed by physicist Wal Thornhill, suggests that the fundamental mysteries of gravity may be explained by the electrical structure of matter.
But are balls or other shapes plasma-magnetic entities? The donut shape might be evidence of that, do simpler shapes infer magnetic properties?
Not that it's a bad idea to look for a connection between different forces, people have tried, but so far nobody has succeeded in explaining gravity in terms of electrical forces, including Thornhill.
I think it's a sign that the speaker lacks rational thought and intelligence, which I have found to be a common thread with Thunderbolts videos. Some are worse than others, and Wal Thornhill makes some especially moronic statements, but that's really a dumb claim of a sign of intelligence in this volcano video.
This volcano stuff is not a main point of electric universe, but this video addresses the general thunderbolts electric universe concepts and what's wrong with them.
originally posted by: Dalamax
a reply to: Arbitrageur
youtu.be...
Despite the fact that the planetary, or Rutherford, model was devised more than a century ago, and was very quickly replaced by another, similarly simplistic representation - the Bohr Model - it remains in public consciousness with no signs of fading away.
As the episode of SciShow below explains, in 1913, the Bohr Model improved on the planetary model by doing away with the unsustainable spiralling orbits and replaced them with concentric circles that visualised the various energy levels that electrons are confined to.
But while we often see this model used in high school to teach us about valencies, it doesn't tell the whole story either - even if you're allowing for a simplified version of things.
For one, the model was devised more than a decade before physicists even knew what neutrons where, and they're kind of important if you want to properly represent an atom.
And then there's the weirdness of quantum mechanics, which states that a) electrons don't necessarily orbit the nucleus at all, and b) they don't even really exist in a specific place at a specific time.
Conclusion
This exercise attempted to interject some mathematics, greatly simplified, into the paradigm of the EU theory that gravity can be attributed to an electromagnetic effect, albeit almost inconceivably smaller, due to the distortion of atoms by their neighbors into electric dipoles. While we have not attempted to address the mathematics that would be involved in explaining the 1039 factor difference between the respective strengths of these forces, the possibility of an electromagnetically-induced distortion to create an atomic dipole appears at least plausible.
Sure we'd love to have a better explanation of gravity. But a stupid explanation that is easily proven wrong doesn't help. A former believer in electric universe actually looked into the idea, and finally realized how easily it can be proven false:
originally posted by: easynow
Nobody has yet to fully explain what the "force" actually is ... and yet you say it's not a bad idea to try and explain it ....
but also at the same time demonize them and say they "lack rational thought and intelligence"
Maybe some day some of the other "believers" in Thornhill's nonsense will actually think about it like David did.
The gaps in electric universe theory do drive followers from the fold. David, a former enthusiast who now calls EU an "anti-science cult" and wished to use only his first name, was undone when someone asked about Thornhill's latest electric explanation of gravity.
"When I looked into it, I was literally flabbergasted at how stupid it was," he said. "I really was ashamed that I had ever listened to a word Thornhill said."
Now he tries to de-convert others in the Thunderbolts forum, a process that he calls his "work."
In physics, theories need math. That's how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn't big on math. In fact, "Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for "mainstream" astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.