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posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 04:37 AM
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As long as there is religion, there is no end to terrorism.

As long as there is desire, there is no end to terrorism.

As long as there is love, there is no end to terrorism. (Now think about that one before you bark something right out.)

We cannot control it. Terrorism is, was and will always be a part of humans.

War against Terrorism will never solve the problem of terrorism.

But.. but... Jesus tells us this~ And Buddah tells us that. Yeah well, guess what. It just takes too much for the majority of people to overcome the gap between instincts/desire and understanding of what is really good for us (life) as a whole.

War on terrorism will in fact increase terrorism. It's not that people are not aware of this, but since it's just about business, growth and development it doesn't make any difference.

If you happen to find yourself in a position where you're trying to figure out how to profit from this whole circus.... Don't be too surprised. The guys running the joint are just a little bit ahead of ya.

Now we can sit here and blablabla about this topic until we're really bored about it. Or do something else. "Terrorism" is here to stay anyway so just get used to it.

If you're a victim... I'm sorry. Wrong place, Wrong time. Wrong deed perhaps. Be careful. That's all we can do.




posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 04:57 AM
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You have got a very strong point here as if you have a war on terror are you not terrorising the terrorists therefore causing terrorism. Back to square one.

So what do we do?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:09 AM
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we could lunch all nukes so WWIII will start and go back to the stone age, and start all over again.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:15 AM
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An interesting post chinalurker!

I think that a salient point is that "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" too: who is the aggressor, who is the victim? it depends, I think, from which perspective or point of viewyou are coming from?

So, we can look to history - the USA broke the tyranny of British rule by "terrorist" acts, so to the Brits at the time the States would have been terrorists I suppose? The early States would have seen these self-same terrorists as saviours, I imagine?

As to what we do: well, a good start, IMO, would be to try to eliminate inequalities within society: is it right that much of the world is under-developed and poor? That many on this planet live on a dollar a day or less? (see from whch this quote is taken in 2001):

"More than one billion people live under the poverty line — one person in six, eking out a living on less than a dollar a day. The World Bank is calling on rich countries to help cut these rates."

Such people have very little to lose afterall - but this implies communism and we certainly don't want that, do we??

But, how to do that is the challenge.... Would i be prepared to give up my (relative) wealth to redistribute it fairly? Would anybody?

In such cases, with such moral dilemas, perhaps the status quo is preferable - and having an "enemy" is extremely good for business and the weapons developers isn't it?

Just my 2c's



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:34 AM
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Define terrorism and then see if it matches your claim.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 06:49 AM
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The term "Terrorist" is used as a way of swaying the general public into supporting the government's agenda. Unfortunately, the aforementioned public are never told the full story and are more often than not fed half truths and blatant lies.

The general public suffer largely from lethargy, they find it far easier to have the media deliver there news and will seldom question the authenticity of the story being told, even when the media source has a blatant political bias.

Democracy as defined by the west, is reliant on trust.

When the trust we hold in our governments is abused, reactionary behaviour transpires.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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terrorism is just simply mean coercing the public with violent means by killing poeple or use other methods to follow and support their agenda.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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Terrorism is:

Militant Islamic Fundamentalism as the answer to Corporate Western Colonialsm.

Pretty simple.

The weapon of the Poor against the Rich.

A suicidal bomer is the answer to a super-modern-laser-guided-satellite-cruise-missile.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Terrorism is:

Militant Islamic Fundamentalism as the answer to Corporate Western Colonialsm.

Pretty simple.

The weapon of the Poor against the Rich.

A suicidal bomer is the answer to a super-modern-laser-guided-satellite-cruise-missile.



Hey Souljah ...

In the spirit of brevity, you kind of narrowed it down to a "current" definition, but terrorism goes way back further than that. But you hit it on the head pretty good.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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So what do we do?


Depends on the goal. Terrorism won't disappear from the world anyway so you may as well just focus on whatever thingy you like.

If you want to save some special place/thing/person in specific though, you may want to do some extra thinking. Avoiding terrorism is absolutely possible. However, Even if you eliminate all reasons you can possibly think of for people to use that person/place/thing as a target for terrorism, it might still end up as a target cause situations constantly change.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:11 AM
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Arab/Islamic terrorism is the result of oppresion, in particular oppresion by the US and Israel, the weaker developing countries that those 2 oppresors constantly victimize can't fight back with conventional arms so they use guerella tactics.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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So if you believe there is no end to terrorism then why did you post this? A lot of people here pretty much know the government is feeding us BS and that terrorism is here to stay as long as the people running our government are running our government. Dont get impatient my friend. Dont give up. After the soon to come peace and destruction, everthing will finally be... OK.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 06:49 PM
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Anything up for discussion, right



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by sigung86
In the spirit of brevity, you kind of narrowed it down to a "current" definition, but terrorism goes way back further than that. But you hit it on the head pretty good.

CORRECTUMONDO!

Modern form of terrorism was "invented" by the CIA and the NSS in the South American Campaign in countries like Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua with their Death Squads, that were all trained by their top agents. They were responsible for slaughtering tens of thousands civilians in South America.



[edit on 24/3/05 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 10:47 AM
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CORRECTUMONDO!

Modern form of rerrorism was "invented" by the CIA and the NSS in the South American Campaign in countries like Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua with their Death Squads, that were all trained by their top agents. They were responsible for slaughtering tens of thousands civilians in South America.


Wrong, wrong......wrong.

First of all, Webster defines terrorism as "a systematic use or terror, especially as a means of coercion". Terrorism is not limited to religious or political groups, it has roots in economics, sociology, and even crime.

The modern term “terrorism” comes from the Latin “to frighten”, as was coined by the French shortly after the French Revolution in 1793, aka “Regime de la Terreur”.

Terrorism is an act of illegal violence designed to drive home a point, through fear, coercion and intimidation. Terrorism is a form of communication, where individuals seek to challenge the actions or policies of a group.
As such, terrorism is also a political act. Terrorism is an ancient tactic, practiced by various groups for well over 2,000 years. Famous ancient and olden examples of terrorist groups include the Zealots, Sicari, the Hashishin, and the Thugees.

Most historians agree that the "modern form of terroism" was develped during the French Revolution, which was the first major example of secular terrorism. The French Revolutionists used violent terrorist tactics as a way to combat those who they perceived to be "subversive", and for the first few years of the revolution, these terrorist acts had much popular support. It was only when they went too far in their gross excesses of violence did the french populace and the world (the British in particular - see the writings of Edmund Burke) changed and began to heavily criticize these tactics.

Other less notable but equally important examples of modern terrorism include the Narodnaya Volya (NV), or "The People’s Will", which in 1879 began a violent anti-czarist campaign in Russia, and the multiple assassinations of various state leaders during the early 1900's, which culminated with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo by people who were supported by Narodna Odbrana and "The Black Hand".

In the 1960's and 1970's groups like the PLO, Tamil Tigers, Basque ETA, Provisional IRA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, Red Brigades, and the Japanese Red Army were slaughtering innocent people to further their political agenda before anybody even heard of alleged CIA involvement in Central America. (By the way, if the Marine Corp trains a man to be a sniper, and 5 years later that same man goes out and shoots 20 people from the top of a tower, does that make the Marine Corp an evil organization responsible for the deaths of 20 people? The same analogy works with the CIA operations in Central America).

Terrorism is probably a natural social condition whose causes can be traced, either directly or indirectly, to:

* Lack of democracy, civil liberties, and rule of law
* Failed or weak states
* Rapid modernization
* Extremist ideologies (secular or religious)
* History of political violence, civil wars, revolution, or dictatorships
* Inequity of power
* Illegitimate or corrupt governments
* Repression by foreign occupation
* Experience of social injustice
* Presence of a charismatic leader or organizer

The causes of terrorism can be found in in the depths of inequity. Poverty, sickness, oppression, injustice, ignorance and fear all contribute to the formation of terrorism. Perhaps that is why there is so very little terrorism in the United States.



Societies and governments who have advanced beyond the use of terrorism must attack terrorism at it’s source. We must implement and support secular world advancement programs that fight inequality and oppression whenever possible, and allow all people to have a voice.

That is how terrorism will be defeated.



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by ulshadow
we could lunch all nukes so WWIII will start and go back to the stone age, and start all over again.


I wonder if you'd like to die in a nuclear war? That's an utterly moronic idea you have there. If you destroy the environment and human infrastructure you create a survival of the fittest situation, and therefore even more violence than ever.

chinalurker, excellent point. As long as people believe in anything whatsoever, if they are willing to resort to violence to express their conviction, there will always be what somebody calls terrorism.

There are two goals to the "War on Terror" -
The first is to generate profit and increase power and influence for a privilidged few. The second, ironically, is infact to cause terror. Although not the Bushism which so inarticulately describes terrorism, but rather, fear of terrorism and therefore, loyalty and "patriotism".

Terrorism is an integral part of civilised society. Not necessarily a beneficial part, but it always has and always will be a means of promoting beliefs and ideology. The neo-cons know it cannot be defeated. They only seek to capitalise on the fear it generates, and even the fear the threat of terrorism causes.

Odd, isn't it, that people are afraid of "terror"? "Terror" is fear, so people are afraid of fear? The phrasology doesn't make much sense.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by chinalurker
War on terrorism will in fact increase terrorism.

By definition, isn’t the act of war an act of terrorism? Violence of any kind could be defined as terrorism, it is like I and many other people have said… “Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder…”


originally posted by AlfredENewman
"More than one billion people live under the poverty line — one person in six, eking out a living on less than a dollar a day. The World Bank is calling on rich countries to help cut these rates."

Heres a piece of horrifying trivia some may find interesting;
If you can eat 3 meals a day for 3 weeks, you are in the top 15% of the worlds richest people…



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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I agree with you chinalurker, US has declared war to something that will never be stop.

As long as humans walk th earth terrorism will always be part of us, is not better weapon than that in the entire world, every country benefits from its power.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
As long as humans walk th earth terrorism will always be part of us, there is not a better weapon than that in the entire world, every country benefits from its power.


War is terrorism, terrorism is war - to seperate the two would be like seperating Yin and Yang...



"Everyone is so worried about "terrorism", there is an easy way to stop it... Everyone stop participating in it..."

Noam Chomsky



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