im not good with matters like this but what exactaly does this alliance entail that we will all basicaly the same country?

Originally posted by Ace135
im not good with matters like this but what exactaly does this alliance entail that we will all basicaly the same country?

Nah Ace,

NAFTA is a free trade agreemnt, this is just a fancy security operation IMHO. Even in the EU individual states retain thier national identity.

So not to be cliché, but didn't Titor speak of some form of alliance between Canada, USA and Mexico?

Otherwise, how would this help the USA compete with the EU all that much? Canada and Mexico have rather low GNPs (or is GDP? I always get those confused...) last time I checked.

I actually drifted more into NAFTA in my opinion section of the post. To compete with the EU, you may see other countries brought in. Canada has a strong leaning towards natural resurces, Mexico has oil and resonable labor costs etc. NAFTA should help esp. if the countries can stand together for eonomic issues.

You mentioned Japan and Australia being included, but why not India also? Don't we do a lot of business with them, especially outsourcing of a lot of stuff. *insert mourning of flight service*

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
You mentioned Japan and Australia being included, but why not India also? Don't we do a lot of business with them, especially outsourcing of a lot of stuff. *insert mourning of flight service*

good call I did not even think about that one. Its Possible esp. given the thawing of our relationship. Globat trade alliances may really be they was to go without the need for a total intergration of monetary systems and all the headaches that it brings with it.

I dont see how this changes things. We have always had a special alliance with them.

Ah just trade guess i was off alitle I am going to have to read more on this i find it interesting. Is this going to help with te economy in the long run? or make jobs?

our resources in great need. the fact that free trade has been a big failure canada will do the american thing turn our backs and look at the ceiling.canada we never sell out and if mexico does well they just insulted there own people.free trade is a joke.most people like the old ways.money to be made without freetrade.after all the people that have lost there jobs and some even homeless. would ya think that nafta would be put in the garbage can and we could go back to better wages.hopefully the pens will run out of ink and no bad deals will be signed.take lawyers with you canada not pens lol..........flukemol

People are mentioning this helping us compete with the EU, perhaps it's just me but I fail to see how this could help. The EU is strong because it's constituant countries have long developed stabalized economies for the most part. Mexico on the other hand depends, in large part, on America. Mexico's lower class tend to emigrate to the states while their upper class do a good portion of business with America. The article mentioned this bill was supposed to encourage economic development between the countries. Stop me if I'm wrong but I thought the US had a well developed economy. Well developed that is, before this trend of outsourcing and illegal immigration. Without a doubt the US would be heading this little coalition and no doubt footing most of the bill. Correction, I'd be footing the bill. Perhaps they wish to creat an EU-esque coalition in hopes of attracting countries that might otherwise be left out such as Australia. In that case, if enough countries joined it could benefit the US and possibly Canada. though that does reek of economic imperialism. Mexico I fear, will always be screwed.

you bring another good point .what about other countires?they might feel left out.they might think we are trying to own the world economy.just a thought.hey what we do has effect on everyone else.well see after the 23 if anything good comes out of it......

not another free trade fiasco

if we were to say equilize our money and wages as well as costs of liveing. perhaps we could end up with ecconomical sucess this is where we differ with the eu. eu countries are on fairly equil terms where their ecconomies are concerned. here resourses canada, cheap labour mexico, the us i guess is buying power.

most people i have spoken to feel that nafta was a bad thing. if we were closer together in ecconomies we would not see such numbers of mexicans trying to illigaly cross over the border to get a better life. in canada a lot of jobs have been lost to the cheep labour in mexico, not that prices for finished products have dropped of course at least on the retail level.

just like the kyoto accord this new treaty might not be the best thing to happen. i would however like to see a draft of it preferably before such a thing comes into existance as law.

NORTHCOM come good then I see.

I see this is a non-violent US invasion of Mexico and Canada by way of homogenisation. Bringing all the laws together and under a US commander? What else could it possibly be but the start of a PAN American super state to rival China and the EU in size.

Posted by: subz
I see this is a non-violent US invasion of Mexico and Canada by way of homogenisation.

What? Throughout the years Mexico has been the one invading the United States. Not the other way around.

The Center for Immigration Studies noted:

Indeed, the last decade saw an unprecedented number of Mexicans cross the U.S. border. Between 1990 and 2000, their number doubled - from 4.2 million to 9.2 million, or 30 percent of the entire foreign-born population in the United States. Within this number, unauthorized Mexicans grew by more than 100 percent—from 2 million to 4.8 million, or 69 percent of all illegal aliens in the United States.

While perhaps embarrassed that 10 percent of it people have fled to the U.S. from Mexico - President Vicente Fox's administration has embraced this reality. In fact, increasing the number of Mexicans working illegally in the United States is among Mexico's highest foreign policy objectives.30

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nothing good will come out of this, I can tell you that for sure. Martin has a set on him doesn't he? It's not like he has a mandate right now, infact his gov't is hanging by a thin thread, could this be the issue that breaks the backs of the Liberals and sends us to the Polls again? I hope not as it may hand them another Majority and if we thought the Liberals and Conservatives sold us out before, well just wait and see.

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Hey, you know what I find really funny!

That NAFTA means OIL in my language!

WOW such great news.... for mexico....

the main reapers of the benefit will be our lovely neighbors to the south...
and why not, they give us so much here in the states...

welfare mothers
cheap drugs (the illegal kind)
lots of gangs
way overpriced merchandise that used to cost half as much BEFORE nafta...
a great big place to go for summer break... as long as you are accompanied by a militia...

wait... why do we want this to happen again?