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A message from 1969

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posted on Apr, 19 2021 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese
A cow and a horse are both animals.

Fascism and communism are both collective ideologies.

"Collectivism means that an individual must yield to some form of authority. This ideology emphasizes interdependence between individuals in some kind of collective grouping and that this grouping prioritizes group goals over individual goals.

Collectivism is the form of ideology that has been clearly most dominant in the course of human history. Early Stone Age societies placed group goals ahead of individual goals, and the same has happened under monarchies, feudalism, fascism, communism, socialism, Nazism, social democracy, conservatism, Islamism, etc."
Two Basic Ideologies - Capitalist Party
www.liberalistene.org...#:~:text=Collectivism%20means%20that%20an%20individual,group%20goals%20over%20individual% 20goals.


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posted on Apr, 19 2021 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain
They forgot to add Constitutional Republics on that list.

If you think about it, all forms of government are collective, that is kinda the point of creating a nation, to work as a collective.



posted on Apr, 27 2021 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: liliththedestroyer

It wasn't planned for years. it was planned decades ago. Several Russian, and even Chinese military defectors, even high ranking ones, tried to warn the U.S. and it's people. But even in ATS you would find American members claiming "the communists were never a threat to the U.S." That's how ignorant people were, and continue to be. This sort of people will only make excuses and more excuses, and even when they see that the "communist revolution" will also take EVERYTHING away from them even though they are mostly leftwingers, they will continue to claim "this is not communism..."

Some people are just...how do i put it... too damn dumb and stupid to know any better. You see that happening to this day. Several leftwingers/pro China Biden/anti-Trumpers to this claim that what the left has been doing, as in the riots, the looting, etc, it's just "hurting the feelings of Americans that lean to the right." They have no argument whatsoever and they do not admit to ever having been wrong. Many of them also claim to "not be communists" yet in reality they LOVE what they are seeing even though the large majority of them will not admit it outright. That's how much cowards they are.

The worse part of it all, is that despite so called "democrat leaders' claiming to be "anti-Russian and anti-CCP", they are following the footsteps of this plan that was set up by the communists in the U.S.S.R. and China to this day.



edit on 27-4-2021 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Apr, 27 2021 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: surfer_soulBINGO BINGO BINGO!



posted on Apr, 28 2021 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: 19Bones79

Glad you posted amigo! I never seen that before. Going a little
further back yet just as prophetic. An actual honest to God real
democrat.




edit on 28-4-2021 by Randyvine because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2021 @ 04:02 AM
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A message from 1969


A message from 1976:"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Patriot Congressman Larry Mcdonald,killed by the Soviets in the 1983 Korean Air Lines Flight 007 shoot down.



posted on Apr, 29 2021 @ 04:44 AM
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Some of the comments on here are akin to two people at home and a guy is prying at the door with a crowbar.

Person 1: Call 911 and take a safe position, there's a burglar

Person 2: No, it's a home invader. Your warnings are moot.

Person 1: Who cares what it's called. It's pretty well understood how this plays out. Call 911 and get ready.

Person 2: Why even talk about it if you aren't going to call it a home invader? There are distinct differences.



Some people have to "win" at any cost --even if it's their lives and freedom.
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posted on Apr, 29 2021 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Halfswede
Some people have to "win" at any cost --even if it's their lives and freedom.

Wouldn't you want to win your life and freedoms at any cost?



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 04:31 PM
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Fascism and communism are both collective ideologies.

"Collectivism means that an individual must yield to some form of authority.


Those are both quite tall leaps. First you force 'communism' into 'collectivism', then you define 'collectivism' as 'yelding to authority' without explaining how that works or clarifying the reasons and mechanics of this conclusion.

Look, in a good world, almost any 'ism' would work - and in a world like this, almost any 'ism' can (and will) be twisted into good old 'authoritanianism', where a small group of wealthy 'elites' oppress the masses. So in the end, the 'ism' doesn't matter, as the end result will always be the same, only details will vary.

However, if we look at the word 'communism', it doesn't become 'collectivism' as easily as it would become 'about community'. A good community is where everyone willingly helps each other, and thus, the community. Every individual willingly and out of their own free volition decides to sacrifice a little bit of individuality for the common good of everyone, the community.

This would definitely be a prosperous and beautiful system, provided the people were good, and thus the world was good - and there would be no 'authority' (or need for one) whatsoever.

However, whenever there are even handful of evil people, these kind of isms are warped and twisted into the 'world domination' crap that's going on even right now, just as they were going on in Mallona (the tragically exploded planet, whose remains still orbit the sun somewhere between Mars and Jupiter).

It's the same kind of evil people, the same souls trying to do the same thing they always try to do. I can only hope their stupid and oppressive plans will eventually get thwarted - the question is, how much suffering and pain, how many murders and injuries, how much unfairness and bitter cruelty will people have to endure before things can be brought to balance again..

A system where everyone does their little bit for the good of the community, everyone would serve each other, everyone would live for everyone's and each other's benefit, would be the most wonderful world. Sadly, 'communism' is just another ism that never works in a bad world (not that it's a good community-based system or even ideology anyway, but it does sounds somewhat good on paper sometimes).

The thing is, communism takes things too far - in communism, individual is COMPLETELY lost, therefore, they have no rights, since they don't have ownership (according to Michael Badnarik (if I remember correctly), rights come from ownership - you own your body, therefore, you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't interfere with someone else's rights, etc.)..

Capitalism is evil because only capital matters, and there's nothing else that is as valuable - not human life, animal life, nature, beauty, spirit, health, painlessness, human rights, clean water and air, peace, love, etc. etc. etc..

In a bad world like this, capitalism-like systems together with democracy (which really is dictatorship of the majority, two wolves and a bunny deciding what to have for lunch) has historically worked better than the other isms, possibly because they're more practical and realistic, and less destruction-requiring idealism that gives a dictator (even if that dictator is a government) so much free reign and power to just oppress and destroy without limitations. Capitalism does sometimes throttle its own evil for the capitalistic benefit of corporations - if they destroy too much, they don't get to become as rich, etc.

But it's still an evil system... I don't really know if any good system would be able to remain good for long in a world like this. In a good world, as I mentioned, capitalism would be angelic and perfect for everyone, just like communism would, or any ism, because people would always treat each other well, and stop any non-living system from becoming an oppressive 'person', like corporations have become. Psychopathic persons at that..



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 04:43 PM
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..too damn dumb and stupid to know any better.


What's the difference between the two?

Stupidity does not prevent knowledge, although it dampens the understanding. People can recite all kinds of things from memory, without necessarily understanding those things.

Also, 'dumb' and 'stupid' are clearly different concepts, you shouldn't lump them together like that, as if both have only to do with 'knowing', when reality is, they don't.

If you want to talk about knowledge, maybe you can use the word 'ignorance' instead of 'dumb and stupid'.

As far as I can figure out, 'dumb' is basically the opposite of 'wise'. Wisdom is neither knowledge nor intelligence.

As the saying goes, the difference between a 'wise' man and an 'intelligent' man is that the intelligent man survives situations the wise man never ends up in.

'Stupid', from what I can gather, seems to point to the opposite of 'intelligent'. This still has nothing to do with knowledge or even the ability to know things (remember, stupid people can still memorize and recite information), but of course intelligence makes it easier to retain things, because when you understand something, you also remember it better.

'Dumb', 'Stupid', 'Wise', 'Intelligent', 'Ignorant', 'Knowledgeable'..

..there are all kinds of categories and measures. But I'd prefer 'thinking' vs. 'thoughtless'. People - regardless of their intelligence, knowledge capability, wisdom amount or memorization level, just seem to be AUTOMATONS instead of thinking individuals.

And THIS is the worst part of it all. You can tell them facts, truth and theories until the cows teleport to a better planet, but unless you can help them actually think for themselves, it's as useful as pouring oil into the motor of an electric car.

To sum it up, I think you're barking the telephone poles - those poles are not supposed to even HAVE any bark - the real culprit is not the 'dumbness' or 'stupidity' of people. It's the 'not-thinking'... if people stopped to think about everything, they couldn't be so easily lied to, even the stupid people. It's just not a habit of stupid OR intelligent people, wise OR dumb people to question things, so they get saturated with lies and attitudes that block the truth from entering their minds.



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Halfswede
Some people have to "win" at any cost --even if it's their lives and freedom.

Wouldn't you want to win your life and freedoms at any cost?



I think the jist of it is more like 'to be right' than 'to win'. Or 'to win an argument'.

It's like, they rather win at scrabble than take their family to safety because the house is on fire. That sort of sentiment, where they are rather 'semantically correct and acceptably virtuous' than 'actually useful, helpful or truthful' - even if this costs them their freedom.

In other words, they're rather correct while chained in prison, than wrong and roaming free.



posted on May, 2 2021 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: Shoujikina
I didn't force anything, I used the terms the way they used them in that article.


The thing is, communism takes things too far - in communism, individual is COMPLETELY lost, therefore, they have no rights, since they don't have ownership (according to Michael Badnarik (if I remember correctly), rights come from ownership - you own your body, therefore, you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't interfere with someone else's rights, etc.)..

That seems to be a bit of propaganda left over from the red scare days. The constitution of the USSR of the early 20th century did allow for ownership of private items/property and also other rights. Not saying they were not violated at times, but they were there.
1936 CONSTITUTION OF THE USSR
Chapter I

ARTICLE 10. The right of citizens to personal ownership of their incomes from work and of their savings, of their dwelling houses and subsidiary household economy, their household furniture and utensils and articles of personal use and convenience, as well as the right of inheritance of personal property of citizens, is protected by law.


Chapter X

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

freedom of speech;
freedom of the press;
freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
freedom of street processions and demonstrations.



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