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Republicans: Are you still blind to the ways?

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posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Are the Republicans who jetted back to Washington this weekend "to save Terri" not the same politicians who recently voted as a rock-solid bloc to gut the Medicaid funding that helps pay for catastrophic medical costs incurred by the unfortunate thousands who find themselves in a similar situation? Did they not overwhelmingly pass a devastating bankruptcy bill that will make it impossible for families who lose their life savings to ever get back on their feet? Were they not the ones who vowed to enact tort reform that would wipe out the exact same kind of malpractice claims that have thus kept Schiavo alive!?
Yet, as witnessed by my eyes on CSPAN, they stood, one after the other, claiming pious rightmindedness on this "issue".
Their leader in Spirit, George Bush, actually cut a vaction short to come back to the office & sign this thing.
At the same time, 6 month old Sun Hudson was removed from life support against his mother's wishes because Mr. Bush signed into law the Texas Futile Care Law. That law gives hospitals the right to pull the plug on those "with no hope to survive" and can not pay.

www.cnn.com...


Americans: Are you still blind to the ways?

Why has your media focused more time, coverage and money on floating this "story" than on the critical legislation outlined above, or on Jeff Gannon or on the worldwide protest to the Iraqi occupation or .......well, anything that can indenture you or kill you?

I watch C-SPAN at lunch, in my office....I learn more puzzle pieces exist....I rage, sometimes I weep, for my country.....and I wonder....how can things ever get right ?

Democrats are dirty by their meek silence....... Republicans are locked in goosestep regardless of some knowing better......what would be opposition from other parts is otherwised stifled in an ongoing old boy system by the Big Two........




posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 02:59 PM
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Its not that they are blind is that most Americans has fallen under the spell of compliances, they are so used to be told what is good for them that they have stop to ask how good really is.

Sad but true still many can not even see what is going on, they can not longer make decision on their own.

We are a cripple society.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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Great points, Bout Time


Where is the outrage? This nation is asleep, or pretending nothing is wrong.

I listened to Drudge last night, and although a Republican, he brought up some of these points. Some have started realizing, but the vast majority have not.
Whats it going to take?



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:39 PM
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Has anybody seen the polls on the Terri issue? specially the ones in which are about the interference of the congress they are overwhelmingly negative.

The congress and the President has not right to intervene in a state domestic issue.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 06:24 PM
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Nice liberal talking points. Ifi gnorance is bliss, you are one happy guy.

Comparing Schiavo to Sun Hudson is truly retarted. Schiavo's parents have the money and are willing to assume responsibility for Terry. Sun Hudsons mother had no way of paying for life support. If she had money, like schiavo's parents then she could have continued life support. No body is responsible for somebody's medical needs.

Tort reform is ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY. Trial lawyers are making millions of dollars (John edwards) feeding off of their victims. Many doctors can't even practice medicine due to scumbag lawyers. How many lives are lost because doctors discontinue their practice? Nobody should have to pay for the medical treatment of others. That is that.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Bout Time

Why has your media focused more time, coverage and money on floating this "story" than on the critical legislation outlined above, or on Jeff Gannon or on the worldwide protest to the Iraqi occupation or .......well, anything that can indenture you or kill you?





Great point, Bout Time. At the risk of being called heartless, aren't there quite a few more issues that are much more pressing to the general public RIGHT NOW than this case, like, I don't know, Bush's "plan" for Social Security, his recent budget proposal, our continuing stay in Iraq, Iran's nuclear ambitions. While I feel for Ms. Schiavo, the vast majority will never have to deal with this kind of problem. Our government is pulling a fast one on us taking our attention away from their plundering and lying and covering it up by pulling at our heartstrings with a matter that doesn't desere this kind of coverage at this point and time. But then, this kind of smoke and mirrors from Bush and Co. isn't at all surprising, remember how the "evils" of gay marriage was a much bigger issue last election than all of Bush's faults during his first term?



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 08:46 PM
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No, I'm not blind at all, nor am I very pleased with SOME of the things the Bush Administration is letting slide through. I am opposed to the Administration's stance on immigration, privacy, so-called "moral" issues, and quite a few other things internal to the US. SOME things I am pleased with however, like our foreign policy, the promised commitment to space exploration, and possible tax system, SS system, and Tort reforms.

When I voted for Bush, I was fully aware that the religious right would see his victory as a ticket to spread and enforce their dogma at will. I am about as anti-religion as you can get and am actually counting on the left to counter the worst of the likely abuses. They are dropping the ball on that task though, with letting this Terry Schiavo thing even get to Congress. Bad. Just Bad.

In my opinion, the need for the US to be taking the correct actions (which I think Bush has been taking) in the international arena is more important at this time in history than not letting the far right think they are having their way for a little bit. That is pretty much why I voted the way I did, plus the fact that I just didn't like John Kerry at all.

Let me put it this way, however. I would vote for Hillary Clinton before I would vote for Pat Robertson or Pat Buchanan, or Tom Delay for that matter. I think you would find that many people who voted for Bush feel the same. The more the religous right take the Republican party in that direction, just like the extreme left has taken the Democrats the other way, the more people they will lose. I have said before that the American people have given the Republicans what they have been asking for, but now there can be no excuses and some good stuff had better get done.

I don't like some of what I see, and if it keeps up, I'll make my displeasure known in 3 1/2 years. Now that doesn't do a lot for those of you who think the election was rigged anyway, but I can't help you there. I have no illusions about our system of government and don't for a second believe or expect that any political party is going to match my views on everything. If it wern't for their foreign policy (or lack of one), I'd certainly be a Libertarian.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 09:05 PM
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Ambient Sound

That was a very honest post and I like it, we have issues now that are very important to every American.

Right now, as I was watching the news on our economy, experts has come to the conclusion that we have a worst terror to fight in our own soil with our own economy and is becoming worst than a prospect of a terrorist attack and is our deficit, not only our trading deficit but our national debt.

The interest rates are to be raised again. We need to find solution for our domestics problems and it has to be done soon, because is not longer ones side or the other is all of us hard working americans the ones to be affected all of us.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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My sister-in-law is in a "persistant vegatative state." By current definitions, she can not feed herself, she is blind, bed ridden and is fed by a G-Tube.

She is 19 years old and her mother is her legal guardian. So she is just like Terry. This is clear cut,right?

She is alive. She laughs at being tickled and the song' "twinkle Twinkle."

Lets not discuss this situation. Lets discuss Terry.

Find the people who say she wanted to die. That is her husbands family.
This was brought up 7 years after the event.

Her parents say keep all the money we want to care for her. He refused.

One half of the rehab money(2 mill) is spent on lawyer fees to kill her.

The duty nurse said in an affidavitt hubby came in weekly and said "When is that B**** gonna die?"

He said that will watching The Karen Ann Quinlan story she said " I would not want to live that way." That is his entire defense.

All the Reupblicans want is for ONE manadatory review by a federal court when there is no living will. That is it.

All of you people saying we need to stay out of state law and family matters...?


I hope your living will is up to date or one of your family members who wants to quiet you might just "trip" over your bed and starve you to death.

By the way, which of you people wanting her to die would scream if we did this to a death row inmate?



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:24 PM
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But you lost me here.


Originally posted by Ambient Sound
When I voted for Bush, I was fully aware that the religious right would see his victory as a ticket to spread and enforce their dogma at will. I am about as anti-religion as you can get and am actually counting on the left to counter the worst of the likely abuses. They are dropping the ball on that task though, with letting this Terry Schiavo thing even get to Congress. Bad. Just Bad.


This is like Christians saying the abortion clinic bombers are the Atheist community's responsibility to deal with.

The reason this is even a problem is your whackos are your problem to deal with, and you aren't doing your job. In fact, you pander to them. You let them dominate the conversations and debate, and sit back and grin waiting for the vote to come in, then can't figure out why your party is full of nutjobs after each election.

All things considered the formal Democractic Party does a damn good job keeping the fringe Commies and eco-terrorists at bay and out of legislation despite the right's ever-present and irrelevant hyper focus on just the extremists of the left as being representative of the left, which they are NOT.

But your team drops the ball before you ever get it. You bend over for every whacko fringe wedge element that can vote, then say and do nothing while they run your party. Your party is run by extremists. The Reverend Moon has more say than the real average American.

And that's not the left's fault, nor is it our problem to deal with as you claim you'd like. It's your fault Ambient and the fault of every other sell out moderate Republican that sits on the sidelines and prays for the best. Deal with your demons. We'll deal with ours.

I'm sick of the passive moderates and "California Republicans" being called RINOS by their own party too, but grow some balls you wusses. Take your party back, shout down the religious right or die on the vine.

You did this to yourselves. And "the left" isn't here to save your lazy wedge pandering asses. We're here to beat your wacko run party out of power, not save it. Good God man, have you totally lost your senses and just given up to turn to us to fix your problem?

Understand that and you'll understand why you've lost control and might just realize what you need to do.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:34 PM
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and the divide grows....

*sigh*



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by eaglewingz
and the divide grows....

*sigh*


I'm specificaly talking about fixing it here. Get the extremists out of both parties. Take control. Everyone fix their own party. The moderates in each really aren't divided at all as they actually represent mainstream America based on just about any issue poll you take.

There is no real divide.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:44 PM
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Just noticing that "your side" are called extremists, eco-terrorists, and fringe commies. The "other side" are called nutjobs and whackos.

Seems like the buzzwords are heavily weighted in one direction.

'cause a lot of people would consider eco-terrorists and fringe commies "whackos"


Peace



[edit on 3/21/2005 by eaglewingz]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by eaglewingz
Just noticing that "your side" are called extremists, eco-terrorists, and fringe commies. The "other side" are called nutjobs and whackos.

Seems like the buzzwords are heavily weighted in one direction.

'cause a lot of people would consider eco-terrorists and fringe commies "whackos"



Of course they're whackos. Leftist whackos.

Should I call the right's nutjobs what they specifically are to be "fair" here: Dogmatic Authoritarian Theocrats?

Whackos, nutjobs...whatever. Look at my point, not my language.

I'm specifically not being PC here because that's part of the problem in this situation. Neither I nor the left in general has to respect or pander to the opinon of some commie whacko minority anymore than I do (or the right should) some theocratic whacko minorty that wants to do things America doesn't want.

And the problem is the right does pander to it's whacko minorities and turns over the keys. Deal with them, don't dance with them.

This is the result of wedge politics. A wedge party of extremists is not a "majority" opinon on anything no matter how many single issue extremists you slap together under one umbrella.

If Ambient wasn't complaining about the extremists in his party and complaining that the left wasn't dealing with them properly I wouldn't have even taken the time to respond here.

The "divide" to which I assume you think my language contributes is actually quite a thought out effort on my part to the opposite intent. See my last 30 to 50 posts on the matter all over the board.

Extremists need to be told and shown they're extremists. By polls. By America. By moderates. By their own party. Because as it stands they have no idea how far outside the mainstream they really are. And both fringe and now mainstream media reinforces their denial of reality at every outlet they seek. And they are "the divide" to which we find ourselves suddenly so concerned in America. A fake sideshow of whacko nutjob fringe elements yelling at each other with no idea how unrepresentative they are of anything but whackos and nutjobs.

If you were a whacko nutjob wouldn't you like to know?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 01:03 AM
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Ambient, I hope you come back to discuss this because most moderates remain silent on these things.

What of all this Schiavo nonsese? Are you going to let them get away with it?

Your party leaders write memos on how to politicize human suffering and "excite" the pro-life extremists then DeLay just goes on ABC and denies they did it and calls it "disgusting" but you KNOW they did?

Why do you let them get away with it? I can't stop your party. You can.

You want the Dems to stop them, yet your party is trying to nuke the long standing filibuster rules while they hold a majority against the wishes of the American people. Where do you stand there?

Does it warm your cockles to hear Democrats upholding the will of the majority of Americans called "obstructionists" for fighting the extremist tyranny you yourself hate within your own party?

It's all related. RINOS need to stand up and let the extremists know THEY are the RINOS. And you need to back us "obstructionists" or suffer the conqsequences like the rest of America. This is ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by RANT

All things considered the formal Democractic Party does a damn good job keeping the fringe Commies and eco-terrorists at bay and out of legislation despite the right's ever-present and irrelevant hyper focus on just the extremists of the left as being representative of the left, which they are NOT.


The problem RANT, is that many don't see it that way.

Look at the last presidential election - Kerry was one of THE most liberal voting senators in all of congress. He voted more liberally then Kennedy even.

Thats part of the reason the Democrats lost. He was a true liberals liberal, and his voting record proves it. He wasn't anything close to moderate, though he did his best to come off as one.

Now look at the frontrunner for 2008 - Clinton.

She is another that a LOT of people (and not just hyperconservatives) believe to be a super liberal. Her voting backs that up as well.

The point is, it goes both ways. In fact, I would argue that the major players on the Republican side are far more moderate then on the Democrats. Of course, both sides will say that.

Personally, I am very conservative, but dissagree with the Republicans on some issues such as abortion. This is not to say that I condone abortion, I just think legally the government has no right to get involved in it. However, politics is ALL about compromises. You have to pick who you think will do more good then harm, and there will ALWAYS be members who are more extreme then others.

I'll take tort reform, SS reform, a no BS foriegn policy, pro-gun laws and a strong military over pro-abortion laws, socialistic spending programs and a weak foriegn policy any day of the week. And likewise, you would take pro-abortion laws, strong social programs, good relation foriegn policy, and a well managed military over what ever pros you might see on the Republican ticket.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by KINGTIGER1
Nice liberal talking points. Ifi gnorance is bliss, you are one happy guy.

Comparing Schiavo to Sun Hudson is truly retarted. Schiavo's parents have the money and are willing to assume responsibility for Terry. Sun Hudsons mother had no way of paying for life support. If she had money, like schiavo's parents then she could have continued life support. No body is responsible for somebody's medical needs.

Tort reform is ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY. Trial lawyers are making millions of dollars (John edwards) feeding off of their victims. Many doctors can't even practice medicine due to scumbag lawyers. How many lives are lost because doctors discontinue their practice? Nobody should have to pay for the medical treatment of others. That is that.


So, in the 1st World & in the LEADER OF THE 1st WORLD NATION, life is soley predicated on ones ability to pay for it?
Trial lawyers who pursue frivalous cases have already had severe curtailing of their ability to do so. Of those who actually do get those types of cases to be deliberated on & win, the "millions" won by them is a fractional percentage of both legitimate case awards and in the opposite direction, the billions made by negligent companies shielded from payment.
This argument of yours is in the same vein as Saddam being a "clear & present danger" menacing Main St. USA, back 3 years ago.

I give castigation of Republicans & Democrats alike, yet you offer up mindless, refuted and overall banal fecal nuggets regurgitated from talking points not even remotely original or momentarily pondered by you?
Pitiful



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bout Time
Are the Republicans who jetted back to Washington this weekend "to save Terri" not the same politicians who recently voted as a rock-solid bloc to gut the Medicaid funding that helps pay for catastrophic medical costs incurred by the unfortunate thousands who find themselves in a similar situation? Did they not overwhelmingly pass a devastating bankruptcy bill that will make it impossible for families who lose their life savings to ever get back on their feet? Were they not the ones who vowed to enact tort reform that would wipe out the exact same kind of malpractice claims that have thus kept Schiavo alive!?


Yes, the Republicans are hypocrites. But, so are the Democrats. The same Democrats who have spent their political careers claiming to fight for those who are helpless, powerless, and in need of protection, have turned their back on this young woman. They just don't care if this woman lives or dies; they just consider this an oppoturnity to make a political point.

Everyone here should ask themselves this question: "All politics aside, doesn't this woman have a right to live?"

The U.S. Constitution provides rights to its citizens, and these rights cannot be removed without due process. And the right to life is the most obvious right of all! Terri Schiavo has not been convicted of a capital crime, or sentenced to death by a jury of her peers. Yet here she is, facing a death penalty, and a last minute appeal, as if she were a convicted felon. Worst of all, she has absolutely no way to defend herself, either physically or legally.


Originally posted by Thomas Sowell
If the tragic case of Terri Schiavo shows nothing else, it shows how easily "the right to die" can become the right to kill. It is hard to believe that anyone, regardless of their position on euthanasia, would have chosen the agony of starvation and dehydration as the way to end someone's life.

A New York Times headline on March 20th tried to assure us: "Experts Say Ending Feeding Can Lead to a Gentle Death" but you can find experts to say anything. In a December 2, 2002 story in the same New York Times, people starving in India were reported as dying, "often clutching pained stomachs."

No murderer would be allowed to be killed this way, which would almost certainly be declared "cruel and unusual punishment," in violation of the Constitution, by virtually any court.

Terri Schiavo's only crime is that she has become an inconvenience -- and is caught in the merciless machinery of the law.


www.townhall.com...

How many people end up in Terri Schaivo's situation in the U.S. every year? Brain damaged, and in a position where a judge can decide if they live or die? Hundreds? Thousands?



[edit on 3/22/2005 by ThunderCloud]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by ThunderCloud

How many people end up in Terri Schaivo's situation in the U.S. every year? Brain damaged, and in a position where a judge can decide if they live or die? Hundreds? Thousands?



[edit on 3/22/2005 by ThunderCloud]


How many of those cases you are talking about are turn into a circus by the few conveniently in Florida by private groups and politicians.

Do you understand what this is all about? or you still don't get it?

The people you are talking about are still alive and probably some has passed away with the wishes of their familiar in privacy and away from the media.

What makes the Terry case so special? go ask the ones that are behind the scenes pushing their agendas.

This is not above Terri it never has been she is just the lucky one.

[edit on 22-3-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Do you understand what this is all about? or you still don't get it?


Do you? A woman is starving to death, right now, while people are discussing political agendas, and whose repuation can benefit from Mrs. Schiavo's being alive or dead.

I don't care about Republican vs. Democrat; I care about that woman's right to live.


Originally posted by marg6043
...she is just the lucky one.


My point exactly. Who's protecting the life of other brain damaged people in the U.S.?



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