I'm just going to continue these and then backtrack later to field any questions, comments, "advice," and large flamey things.

Channeling continued

41. In some cases, the bad go unpunished in this life and the next. Enlightenment and maturity is the recognition of this fact.

42. In some cases, the good are punished in this life and unrewarded in the next. Enlightenment and maturity is the recognition of this fact.

43. Please do not depend on "gods" to effect moral justice in your world or the next. The "gods" are not moral.

44. You worship nature gods at your own risk. Nature are to humans as Palestinians are to Israelis.

45. The Christians were right about controling & enslaving nature, because they knew intuitively that nature was out to get them.

46. Nature is conspiring to wipe humanity off the planet. The evolutionary mechanism is one of its tools.

47. The too-rapid ascent of humanity is not the result of pure evolution. This is why you are a blasphemy to the integrity of nature.

48. Chaos is not looking for converts. The worship of chaos insinuates a degree of order. Chaos is not planned. Chaos chooses who will serve Chaos.

49. You are all either builders or destroyers. You are all either children of Chaos or Order. It is on your foreheads as a baby. It is better you realize what you are so as to control it than to fight it.

50. A child of Chaos who attempts to be a child of Order produces more damage than if it would have settled into what it really is.

51. Blessed is the broken.

52. Blessed are the words you do not want to hear.

53. Blessed is the avoided, because it is certain it will one day rise.

54. Jesus chose Judas. Keep that in your back pocket.

55. You do not have to forgive if you don't want to.

56. You do not have to love a certain individual if you don't want to.

57. The virtues of merging with the One is the biggest lie.

58. You were *not* created to merge and lose yourself.

59. You cannot obliterate yourself with the merge, but you can be deluded and asleep for an eternity.

60. If you need rules, security, and a rigid system of morality in order to cope with reality, I highly suggest you pick an established religion. There are no punishments for avoiding reality in doing so, and you might find temporal benefits. But understand that once you choose for example Christianity, you will indeed burn in Hell if you disobey it. Please understand this mechanism. I'm not kidding.

61. Blessed are the ultimate wretched of your world, for they are martyrs to Reality.

62. Kick your guru and lock him/her out of your house. Quickly!

--to be continued

More channeled information (I hope I'm numbering this ok)

63. You do not choose your sicknesses nor the wretched things that might befall you in this reality. To be fair, your specific actions might lead to certain illnesses and misfortunes. But sometimes things are just rotten for no good reason--enlightenment is the understanding of this fact.

64. At least the Catholics have a big bleeding man hanging before their altars as to not escape completely from the realities of life. It is also beneficial to keep in mind blood, which is covered under your skin but is always there and always reasserts itself in the end.

65. Whether fetuses scheduled for abortion are saved or not really doesn't make much difference to the Universe. Though certain side-effects of this procedure done on a mass scale might have ramifications. But one life here or there does not make an incredible amount of difference to the gaping black maw of the Universe. Humans create the importantce--which is not to belittle it.

66. YOU create the importance. This is not to belittle the mechanism. You might find it empowering.

67. You can create many miracles and feats of magic while caught up in a psychosis. When I say "psychosis," I am not belittling the mechanism. But you understand that it is quite chancey, correct?

68. The correct approach to have towards nature is that of a maintenance worker for the shark tank at Sea World.

69. If I performed a miracle for you now and called you the "chosen," you would dash the brains of your newborn upon my altar if I so asked. Please understand the human vulnerability to wonders and flattery. It has built dynasties.

70. How to escape the tide and crush of reality? Get familiar with pain, develop critical thinking, and have a sense of humor. Or join an all-encompassing system of belief.

71. "Karma" is about physical causes and effects. It has nothing to do with morality. KARMA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY!!!

72. It is a human responsibility to designate codes of morality & enforce them. Please do not appeal to the "will of the gods"--though such appeals make it easy to attain and maintain converts, to be sure.

73. If you traffic in uncertaincies, you will never be a popular guru--though you might be correct in your beliefs.

74. People want to be told what to do, and they want to feel "special." All modes of the manipulation of humans stems from the understanding of these concepts.

75. You in and of yourself are not *special*. You create the specialness. That is not to belittle the mechanism, but you must understand how this works. You are insignificant and colorless in the face of the gaping black maw of the Universe unless you take steps to create your own importance.

76. There is no meaning to Life other than that which is created by humans. Which is not to belittle the mechanism. Do you understand?

77. Bait gurus.

78. Conspiracies are commonplace and part of human nature.

79. Any entity that tells you what you do not want to hear is a demon.

80. Any entity that tells you exactly what you want to hear is an angel.

81. You have created the angels and demons -- you have created them.

82. The shards of Chaos and Order that work in the universe are not demons and angels as you have defined them. Chaos and Order are amoral. Chaos and Order have more to do with your physics than your morality.

83. Is it inconceivable that some time in the future your race will be so advanced as to transcend time? And if this is so, wouldn't they come back to "fix" things? "Fixing" only makes things worse, when you are referring to the integrity of Time.

84. Reincarnation, as a broad concept, is accurate--but it operates nowhere so orderly as you think. No destination is the same for every person. It is not so black and white. Once you shed your human form, things get very bizarre. You cannot fill a handbook with the particulars of this situation.

85. All handbooks are wrong. There is no handbook. There is no map. Enlightenment and maturity come when you accept this fact.

---channeling to be continued.

the ten commandments was too much to follow!

Even when that was too much, Jesus encompassed them into 2 (Matthew 22:34). Join Christianity, it's easy to remember the rules

[edit on 24-3-2005 by saint4God]

Well Cassie Clay, it seems like despite how much we have tried to help you, you want to do this. So more power to you. Good luck.

Is it just me, or did Satan decide to be less vulgar and sarcastic this time. It seems like a personality change

Satan said:

Demons are those who tell you what you don't want to hear
Angels are those who tell you what you want to hear.

Isn't it ironic that Satan is telling you exactly what you already believe in.

Please, give Satan my love when you meet with him next time

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Just keep your religion to your selves. So who cares if some wierd person you've never seen is worshipping demons? Lets all just congragulate Cassie for achieving something paranormal.

Originally posted by Kushi_Master
Lets all just congragulate Cassie for achieving something paranormal.

And you know that is the case how?


Threads like this are going to give me an aneurism.

This is a very interesting imagination you have, Cassie, but that is all it is, sure good and evil exist, but if it were as simple as only "channeling" them all questions would be answered. Questions in life stem from two basic options, right or wrong, if you could communicate with either side the questions would be much more easily answered, but hey, maybe you really did speak to Lucifer, or maybe you just need therapy, guess which way I'm leaning?

Originally posted by Cassie Clay

49. You are all either builders or destroyers. You are all either children of Chaos or Order. It is on your foreheads as a baby. It is better you realize what you are so as to control it than to fight it.

50. A child of Chaos who attempts to be a child of Order produces more damage than if it would have settled into what it really is.

These statements sound confusing. How would you know if you born to be good or born to be bad? If you were born to be bad to the bone, then how would you do more damage doing good rather than evil? Maybe you could be doing more damage to chaos or evil if you were doing good.

I bet a happy, loving, caring family just ticks off that supreme chaos devil. Maybe the devil is simply using Cassie to channel thoughts to someone here on ATS. That devil is a sneaky one.

Lucifer? The Dark One?
No offence, but if anyone who knows what they are talking about wouldn't have called 'Lucifer' the 'Dark One'.
Lucifer is mentioned ONCE and only ONCE in the bible. It states that Lucifer is the fallen angel.
Lucifer translates into 'Morning star.'
Back in the day, Stars were quite commonly called angels.
Venus is known as the Morning star, as it 'falls' in the morning.

In conclusion, your tale of 'The Dark One' cannot be the 'Lucifer' it (or you) claim(s) to be.

Child

As I said, if it is the truth, it verifies itself. If you feel love it verifies itself. I will not always leave you with the proverbial "trust me" I will explain what I am saying. It does not make sense to you that love empowers you? I mispoke and you misunderstood. It is true what I said, that we do not deal in logic. If we did, we would correct our mistakes, not keep repeating them. When a person is angry, his logical abilities are shut down, and his emotions override. Again, that is because humans are emotional creatures. Abstractions like philosophy does not make sense to us. We choose our philosophies, ideologies and actions according to our emotional and spiritual states. Not logic.

No Child, it does not make sense, that love empowers you. This is far too vague, and intangible. In Greek there are twenty words for love. Love is far to broad of a word. Second, you are saying that love and logic, are disconnected. This claim could be so diverse, that is impossible, to discuss.
Logic has many forms and directions. What is perfectly logical to a donkey, can be completely illogical for a human. Donkey's eat grass, this will make humans sick.

You said when anger arrives, logic flees. How in the world do you arrive at that conclusion? When a dog, comes up behind me and tries to bite me, I get angry and kick the daylights out of him, this is very logical. Of course, the dog disagrees.

Child you said "Abstractions like philosophy does not make sense to us."
Says who? you? Since when, do you make the rules for all of us? Can you give support for this claim?

Lastly, you said Truth verifies itself, well maybe, but we are not talking about truth verifying itself, we are talking about you verifying truth, when you can be deluded. That is the question!

Saint4god, you said something about grass, where would a hungry beast of burden, find this pasture?

Originally posted by saint4God
the ten commandments was too much to follow!

Even when that was too much, Jesus encompassed them into 2 (Matthew 22:34). Join Christianity, it's easy to remember the rules

[edit on 24-3-2005 by saint4God]

Just....Just

Good Morning Ya All, and Clay,
What an amusing conversation to boost my day.
The wise old wierd storyteller Hans told a tale about an Emporer who was sooo engulfed in himself that he ordered everyone to praise his new garment, only one person, an innocent child dared challenge him, yelling: "He is naked"
Somebody in here is clad in a very transarent thong.
Not you Clay
Clay NEVER asked for help he is sharing his experience not that I would fool around with demons and this one is way too full of words, I'm just a simple being who has "converted" to simple things, thoughts and concepts.
Someone is having a fit because Clay won't bow deeply in utter gratitude towards this someone's supposed divine advice.
This is just so funny, someone is on a neverending quest. The "I want everyone to fallow my path" quest.
Clay I think, that perhaps, it would be wise to take a brake from the demon, perhaps, just a little, but all respect for your willingness to share and remain calm, facing patronizing statements.
I agree with The Donkey (sorry pal), by the way.

But if we try to submit our personel beleif as "the whole truth and nothing but the truth" we are guilty of no less abuse and tyrany then some of our earths famous narcisistic, blowted ancestors.
Thanks to all who have partisipated in turning this otherwise interresting thread into a highly important conversation about BIGOTRY.
Have A Good One
WrenLittle

P.S. Ups I just put a bundle of words in here. Contradicting myself, I admit it, I am sorry, I am guilty, and I am guilty of foul spelling and grammar and and and.......Yes Yes Yes

That was awesome!!!!!! How do I meet this Lucifer guy??? I can see we are just peas in a pod.

Prepare to be disappointed

You might as well call me a carachter from Blade Runner

ROTFLMFAO

I personally think this is BS... doesnt sound the way the 'dark one' would talk.... this shoudl be moved to BTS.

How do you know how "lucifer" talks? The movies.....or do you "just know" lol.

Very creative writing. Next time you channel Lucifer tell him that I didn't win the lottery and am very angry at him for ripping me off. I WANT MY SOUL BACK!

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Well Cassie Clay, it seems like despite how much we have tried to help you, you want to do this. So more power to you. Good luck.

Is it just me, or did Satan decide to be less vulgar and sarcastic this time. It seems like a personality change

Satan said:

Demons are those who tell you what you don't want to hear
Angels are those who tell you what you want to hear.

No, actually my channel is NOT telling me everything I want to hear. I believe it was being sarcastic in the lines you quoted. And your personality change when faced with your own inconsistencies is far more striking than anything this channel has demonstrated. Before trying to remove the specks out of other people's eyes, please tend to your own beam.

Isn't it ironic that Satan is telling you exactly what you already believe in.

Please, give Satan my love when you meet with him next time

[edit on 24-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Jonna


Threads like this are going to give me an aneurism.

You could always chose to prevent that aneurism by not reading these threads anymore.

I never said I believe 100 percent I know what this "channel" is or is coming from. But I think it has just as much validity as any other "channeled" work. It could be that all channeled work is an opening of our own subconscious. Or it is also possible that "spirits" or energies or something are all around us and if we tune in we can hear them--and even if that's true, there is no telling that what we "hear" is true or not. The truth is, we just don't know and I'm not afraid or ashamed to admit that I don't know. I'm just posting what I get and people can project their own viewpoints and biases upon it like a blank canvas--whether that viewpoint is skepticism, fundamentalist religious fervor, touchy-feely New Age mumbo-jumbo, disgust, reserved interest, or whatever.

However, after reviewing the numerically listed "points" from my channel, I do not see anything so far removed from reality or reason in its philosophical views. The business about time-travelling humans from the future is another matter entirely, I do admit.

Originally posted by InsomniaC_393
This is a very interesting imagination you have, Cassie, but that is all it is, sure good and evil exist, but if it were as simple as only "channeling" them all questions would be answered. Questions in life stem from two basic options, right or wrong, if you could communicate with either side the questions would be much more easily answered, but hey, maybe you really did speak to Lucifer, or maybe you just need therapy, guess which way I'm leaning?

Please tell me where I said that all of life's answers can be found by channeling. Please quote that for me.

"Questions in life stem from two basic options, right or wrong"? I admit that grasping the complexities of life in its many shades and hues is not for everybody.

And I must say, for a person who has been involved in New Age mumbo-jumbo for many a year, being told uncomfortable things such as "you are not special" and "you are not 'chosen'" and "question your gurus" and "sometimes bad things happen to good people and there is no good underlying reason for it" has been more theraputic for me than a dozen Deepak Chopra books. Though such dry and somewhat disappointing pronouncements will *never* sell as many books as Deepak.