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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
The fact is this Boeing is just a drawing and a set of estimates many years away from taking to the air, if ever, and the A380 is a physical reality perhaps only hours away from it's first flight and the start of proving all it's specs.
.....and what makes you think anyone is just going to hang around for the several years that this mild warming over of the 747 that this is all going to take?
Originally posted by Vertu
Also, as the Airbus had to plan a completely new airplane, the Boeing only needs to reconstruct the existing one, with all its benefits packed inside. A very big difference. The actual aim of Boeing is also important, they intend to make a better plane than Airbus A380, excluding that 800 pax.
Originally posted by waynos
Or, to put it another way, Boeing is reworking a 37 year old design which technology has now largely left behind whilst Airbus has the advantage of starting from scratch with an all new design that is aerodynamically and structurally bang up to date.
Originally posted by waynos
Also the aircraft was designed the old fashioned way with draughtsmen and drawing boards. I'm saying not there's anything wrong with this but aircraft design has come a long way in the last 30 odd years and modern CAD procedures mean that the design of the A380 (as with the 787 or any other new type) is as efficient as current knowledge can possibly make it.
Applying CAD techniques to 747 upgrades is basically tinkering with and refining the existing form. Naturally this will yield less spectacular results than designing a completely new aircraft from scratch, (for a parallel it is like the difference between designing the F/A-22 or simply upgrading the F-15, think about that - the 747 is older than the F-15 but the A380 is newer than the F/A-22 - see how far design technology has progressed?)
You also raised a point about the engines, what was it, the 747A will have better engines?
Originally posted by Vertu
And we shouldn't forget that a 747 has 4million parts from all around the World, and they aren't handmade at all.
But all this is simply manufacturing process, and a Boeing is leaving the factory every 8 days. That is a rather good quota, I guess.
So, how will Airbus make hundreds of planes while rolling around the A380 parts through avenues and streets of large cities? I really mean, how?! I've seen on TV , and I was really amazed, how it is done. Anything goes wrong in the shipping, anything, and the Airbus will loose huge money.
While Boeing has all the access to sea, railways, highways and the air. The Airbus factory is yet very far from this, and perhaps in the longterm future they will get somewhere.
Originally posted by Vertu
Yes, we could simply say that the Boeing 747 was just perfect since the first rolled out to the runway. But the 747 division of the Boeing factory is the most advanced among all others, even if the 787 is being engineered with computer technology. And we shouldn't forget that a 747 has 4million parts from all around the World, and they aren't handmade at all.
But all this is simply manufacturing process, and a Boeing is leaving the factory every 8 days. That is a rather good quota, I guess.
So, how will Airbus make hundreds of planes while rolling around the A380 parts through avenues and streets of large cities? I really mean, how?! I've seen on TV , and I was really amazed, how it is done. Anything goes wrong in the shipping, anything, and the Airbus will loose huge money.
While Boeing has all the access to sea, railways, highways and the air. The Airbus factory is yet very far from this, and perhaps in the longterm future they will get somewhere.
So what will the investors say? "If you don't build me an A380 until the desired date, I am gonna buy a Boeing 747!", Well, that's about it.
And I have a feeling that at the Boeing they know some stuff very well, because they are not stressed at all.
They will make a 747 every six weeks (that's the manufacturing time right now), while Airbus will NOT be near this quota at all. Well, this is a very important issue, and concerns a lot of airplanes!
Originally posted by BillHicksRules
DJDOHBOY,
I was wondering if you could clarify your last post for me.
Cheers
BHR
Originally posted by DJDOHBOY
What i maen is that a few people were starting to gang up on a member, and trying to call him out, if you don't like what he has to say, ignore it, but dont start wandering off the subject trying to belittle people.