Originally posted by Vertu
Let's state that your opinions are correct. Perhaps one day we will see the A380 carrying 800 pax.
In this day and age, you are most definately going to see an A380 with 800 passengers on board. It probably wont happen until the first A380 is sold
second hand to another airline, but it will happen. It happens with the 747, it will happen with the A380.
But there is one little problem: the cargo area of the A380 is only slightly larger than the 747, yet the passenger capacity is almost the double. Now
let's state that those on board a 747 could perfectly fit their multiple luggages in the cargo area with 400-500 pax on board... what the hell will
800 pax do with a Boeing 747's cargo area?
As standard, with 550 - 600 passengers on board, the A380 carries a LOT of cargo, 38 LD3s or 13 pallets. If an airline was to increase the passenger
count to the maximum certified for, then it would probably use some or all of this cargo space for passenger luggage.
I have a feeling, that it is questionable that A380s will ever carry 800 pax due to several problems of this plane. No doubt, that the actual aim is
to carry 550 passengers. There is a reason for that.
The reason is the same as why most airlines put 450 passengers into a 747 and not the 550 or more that the 747 is actually certified for (hell, the
777 is certified to carry over 400 passengers). There is no 'several problems with the plane', stop spreading FUD. Most airlines will fly a 3
class configuration, because tehy have more chance of filling a three class configuration on the routes that the aircraft will fly.
So we see that there isn't that much difference in practise between the two jets, yet in price the A380 is more expensive with some $80 million (or
Yes, whatever. An A380 is more fuel efficient per passenger on board than a comparable 747, plus as standard it will carry up to 100 more passengers.
I have proven this in previous posts on the A380, if you want I can dig up the figures.
Also, due to the increasing number of 747s, airports are not going to reconstruct their terminal system from 500pax/plane to 800pax/plane. There IS a
difference, and they will simply not let that plane burst 300 more passengers at one time. I think, it is clear.
[edit on 5-4-2005 by Vertu]
Actually, for the vast majority of cases, its the AIRLINES that will be doing the upgrading. In most airports, the big airlines (Virgin Atlantic,
British Airways etc) lease the stands from the airport on a longterm basis, and the airlines are responsable for ensuring that the stand has capacity
for any aircraft it will take. This means that if the airline wants to put in a second deck skywalk then it can, its not hte airports job, they just
have th ensure that the taxiways and runways can take the weight of the aircraft.
Well, once again we seem to have someone who NEVER THOUGHT that aircraft were going to get bigger. What did you think, that the 747 was king and
going to rule forever? Aircraft get bigger because it fulfils one of the two ways of increasing profits in todays market. Ive said it before, I
shall repeat it now: you can move more people for the same cost or you can move the same amount of people for less. The A380 covers the first of
those, the 787 covers the second.
Airports are getting busier, much busier. Tokyo International Airport (Haneda) saw 272,000 flights in 2003. Gatwick, London saw 242,000 flights in
2003. Heathrow London saw 463,000 flights in 2003. And these figures just increase every year. What does this mean? Simple - airports have a
maximum capacity in the number of takeoff and landing slots available, once you reach the minimum seperation distance between each aircraft taking off
or landing, you reach the natural maximum capacity for that airport.
To overcome this natural maximum, you need to build new runways, which costs a LOT of money, gets you into bad PR with people living around the
airports, and almost always gets governments involved. During this time, the cost of a landing or takeoff slot is going to increase (yes, airlines
pay for slots), and this is going to be a cost per aircraft, it doesnt matter what aircraft it is, at most airports the cost is fixed (at some
airports the slower older aircraft will have a penalty placed against them because they require greater seperation). THis means that it costs as much
to land a large aircraft carrying more paying customers than it does to land a smaller aircraft carrying less paying customers. Guess what airlines
are going to do?