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posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 10:45 AM
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I've had Norton for a few years now, both the firewall and virus protection. I really want to switch, but to where. Tired of slow boots and shutdowns. I want something a little smaller, MB-wise.
I was all ready to go with PC Cillin, but then I've read where their firewall isn't so great. Also, they don't tell you much info about cookies? And no pop-up blocker?
IS the PC Cillin firewall really that lackluster?

I tried zoneAlarm, free and was really confused with the set up. So, I dumped it.
I'm also confused with having virus protection with one company and another for firewall. I had McAfee firewall and norton anti-virus when I got my PC and had ALL sorts of compatibility problems. (that was hy I switched to norton for both)
Is this always an issue? Seems like a lot of you use two different companies.

So, any suggestions. It doesn't have to be free, but I want cheaper that Norton. Also, smaller than Norton to up my performance.

I'm think of using AVG for my anti-virus, so if I am talked out of using PC Cillin, which I can find cheap, I only need a compatible firewall.
Also, something relatively easy to configure. Preferably, other than the windows default firewall.


Pleazzzzzze help.




posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 11:11 AM
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Sygate for the Firewall and Avast for the antivirus.

Both are great and easy to use.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 11:29 AM
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Try the McAfee anti-virus program for 15 days free!

norton is just bull#



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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I have never advocated a combined firewall/antivirus. A tool for built specifically for its own purpose will always do a better job than a multipurpose tool. (Compare a wrench to pliers).

dreamlandmafia is right as always.

Sygate is one of the best, but you do need some familiarity with firewalls.
I have used it, but just for the record it is not without its own problems. See their help forum before purchasing Sygate

A second idea is that you can buy a hardware firewall. Just plug it into your DSL, or Cable modem, and plug your pc into it. While you can tweak it, there is less work to setup, the cost is about the same and your pc does not have to do the work. In addition if your pc crashes, or you reimage, you dont have to go thru all the setup again because it is a seperate peice of hardware.

Here is one example of a good hardware firewall.

Here is some places and prices where it can be purchased.

*Disclaimer*
This is just one example of a hardware firewall, I am not advocating one in particular, there are lots of others. Please be sure to read the support forums to get an idea of current issues, and hardware conflicts before purchasing hardware or software.

About the Antivirus. Symantec Corp Edition 8.1 is much better than any other I have used (I have not used Avast). It is not a firewall/antivirus combined. That being said, it is not perfect either.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by makeitso
Sygate is one of the best, but you do need some familiarity with firewalls.

A second idea is that you can buy a hardware firewall.


I had given some thought to a hardware firewall before. It does look easy enough to install. Are they all about the same, quality and pricewise? As well as setup?

For the record, I've heard Sygate is harder to configure than ZoneAlarm, I dunno. And, someone on a techie website provided this neat tutorial for ZoneAlarm:
www.markusjansson.net...

As far as the AV issue, I was thinking AVG. But, you and DLM both mentioned Avast. I did a search to compare the two, and it looks like Avast is the one I will choose.
Thanks, guys.

dacaruz, thanks for the reply, but I don't like McAfee much.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 09:23 PM
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I had given some thought to a hardware firewall before. Are they all about the same, quality and pricewise? As well as setup?


Both hardware and software firewalls have benefits and drawbacks. It will always boil down to personal comfort level depending on your circumstances and knowledge.

Most personal firewall hardware are about the same quality, but as with everything else, the higher the price, the more functionality, and quality. Most of them use a web interface to configure it, and are reasonably simple to set up. I tend to say away from the very common and very cheap ones, like Linksys and D-link.

Hardware firewalls are important because they provide a strong degree of protection from most forms of attack coming from the outside world. Additionally, in most cases, they can be effective with little or no configuration, and they can protect every machine on a local network.

But most hardware residential firewalls have an Achilles' heel in that they typically treat any kind of traffic traveling from the local network out to the Internet as safe, which can sometimes be a problem.

That being said, software firewalls are the same, in that the more you pay, the better quality, and more configuration. Also software firewalls have the advantage of being able to specify which applications are allow to traffic outside the home network, and alert you when an unauthorized application tries to do so.

But generally speaking with software firewalls, you have more manual maintenance, and configuration, which requires more knowledge and time than a hardware solution. In addition, software firewalls have an Achilles' heel also. They can only protect the machine they're installed on, so if you have multiple computers (which many homes do), you need to buy, install, and configure a software firewall separately on each machine. This can get expensive and can be difficult to manage if you have a lot of computers.

The bottom line is that with any home-office broadband connection, a hardware firewall should be considered a bare minimum, and supplementing it with a software firewall on one or more computers (and don't forget anti-virus software) is almost always a good idea.


www.smallbusinesscomputing.com...



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 09:39 PM
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I'm not big on firewalls, my NAPT-eanbled router does most of my security work. As for AntiVirus I swear by AVG and so far it has never failed to protect my computer from the nasties of the net. Best part is its totally and completely free( and doesnt suck like some of the free stuff out there ).



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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The more research I do, the more confused I become.
I ran across a top ten AV for 2005. The best AV is supposed to be BitDefender:
anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com...

Anyone ever hear of it?

@ makeiso,
Thanks for the info on hardware firewall vs software firewalls.

FWIW, my girlfriend came back from vacation to find her 'puter with porn in her favorites. I asked her how often she updated her AV.
She said, oh, every 2-3 months



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 09:04 PM
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Thats a nice article you found there.

I have talked to a few people who have used bitdefender. They seemed to like it. I think it used to be free for linux.

I checked About.com, and they also have an antivirus review. It is a little different. Bitdefender is ranked 4th. Still a top 5 candidate cant be all bad.

I note that it is one of the few to work with chat. That is becoming important lately.

Hum,
Guess I will start looking for a free demo download for it now. Dont want to pay the cash without a look under the hood first. Right?

Thanks for the article.

[edit]
Oh, found the link for the free demo for windows.
Bitdefender Pro 8

[edit on 22-3-2005 by makeitso]

Dag nabit. DontTreadOnMe got me all excited for nothing....:bnghd:

It only works for 98, 2000, and xp. I cant install it on my win2003 server.
You'll have to tell me what you think of it. I will install it on one of the win2k or xp pro's later.


[edit on 22-3-2005 by makeitso]



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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gosh darn, makeitso, you're gonna make me jump in that cold water first!!! I'm not sure I'm brave enough. Well, I probably can handle it


A question, it only scans POP email...yahoo is my main emial and it's STMP, right?
I'm not sure how important email scans are??????

A big concern of mine is the way NAV locks up the loading of WORD. It takes forever to open a doc. Is this your experience with other AVs?

Thanks for the info.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by dreamlandmafia
Avast for the antivirus.

Absolutely the best. Free trial, fully functional. Nothing else is in its league.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 09:57 PM
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Email scans are one of the two most important tasks of AV, the other one being checking all downloaded files for the presence of malicious code. POP is how you retrieve your email, SMTP is the sending portion(known as Simple Mail Transfer Protocol).



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 11:00 PM
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A question, it only scans POP email...yahoo is my main emial and it's STMP, right?


The techno-shaman is right again.
But there is more. It depends on how you get your email from Yahoo. You can get it with an email app, like Outlook. But most people get their Yahoo and MSN and Google mail via web browser. This is IMAP mail. (More info about IMAP)



I'm not sure how important email scans are??????


Again, the techno shaman is right.
Email is one of the most important scans. Most virus are distributed thru mail. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but it is important to note that only recently have virus been distributed by looking at the mail. There are not many of those but they do exist. Mostly email virus are able to infect you only if you execute or open the attachment. That is where the payload is.



A big concern of mine is the way NAV locks up the loading of WORD. It takes forever to open a doc. Is this your experience with other AVs?


Aaarrrgggghhhh. Word drive me nuts. It has lots of "issues". I did a bit of looking, but you are going to have to give me more details. What makes you think that NAV is what is locking up? What version of NAV are you using? Are you going start/program files/word, or using a shortcut, or going file/open, to open a doc? What flavor of Word?



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:34 AM
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For the record, I've heard Sygate is harder to configure than ZoneAlarm,


I've used Sygate for a quite awhile and never had any problems,
personally I think it's the other way round.

I tried Zone Alarm a couple of times and hated it to be honest, but
thats just me though.

I also found Kerio Personal Firewall to be very good.

For an anti virus I use Vet Anti Virus never had any problems with that either



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by makeitso It depends on how you get your email from Yahoo. You can get it with an email app, like Outlook. But most people get their Yahoo and MSN and Google mail via web browser. This is IMAP mail.


Herre is what aBitDefender's website says:

Full e-mail protection
The application runs on the POP3 protocol level, blocking any infected e-mail message, regardless of the e-mail client used (MS Exchange, MS Outlook, MS Outlook Express, Netscape, Eudora, Lotus Notes, Pegasus, The Bat, etc), without any additional configuration.

www.bitdefender.com...#

On another website, I found this info:

The free version does not include on-access or email scanning, so it is not suited as your only virus protection, however it is useful as a `second opinion scanner` since it integrates into the Explorer right click menu, and lets you easily access it when you need to scan a file.

www.spychecker.com...

So, mabye the thing is to have both as free version, and occasionally sscan a file with BD?

So, will it scan my yahoo and WowWay emails?


Email is one of the most important scans. Most virus are distributed thru mail. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but it is important to note that only recently have virus been distributed by looking at the mail. There are not many of those but they do exist. Mostly email virus are able to infect you only if you execute or open the attachment. That is where the payload is.
*SNIP*
I did a bit of looking, but you are going to have to give me more details. What makes you think that NAV is what is locking up? What version of NAV are you using? Are you going start/program files/word, or using a shortcut, or going file/open, to open a doc? What flavor of Word?


Well, it got worse, slower, with the latest config of Norton. I have NAV 2003, NP firewall 2004.
Doesn't make much difference how I start Word, either from Startup or a shortcut/file/folder. I think the aV is partly responsible because it says "requesting virus scan" and I wait and wait, sometimes. BTW, it's Word 2002.
I run Win XP, SP2 My SP2 install last summer went smoothly.



[edit on 23-3-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by madhatter


For the record, I've heard Sygate is harder to configure than ZoneAlarm,


I've used Sygate for a quite awhile and never had any problems,
personally I think it's the other way round.

I know ease of use is personal. But, with ZA, I found a tutorial of sorts and a friendly ZA forum if I run nto issues on install/update.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:37 PM
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have NAV 2003, NP firewall 2004. it says "requesting virus scan" and I wait and wait,


I read an article about this last night. It is a Norton issue all right. There was an easy fix listed for it. I will post it when I get back home and find it.

PS, Kerio is (in my opinon) one of the greatest ever. But you better know your stuff.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 01:02 PM
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Try this its Open Source

www.clamwin.com...

Not sure how good it is compared to others but I havn't been infected once since I have made the switch over to Firefox and Clamwin. And have a Router Firewall, gonna backstop that soon with a software one as well. Also thinking of switching all my comps to Linux, I only have my work comp with Linux(forget the Distro my buddy set it up for me)



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by makeitso

I read an article about this last night. It is a Norton issue all right. There was an easy fix listed for it. I will post it when I get back home and find it.

Well, it might help someone else, but Norton is history for me. When I get ZA firewall in the mail next week, it's over for Norton. I don't need to deal with another computer website with knowledges bases written over my head. Don't get me wrong, Norton did help me when I had trouble upgrading last year. But, they don't need MY $$$ anymore.
Too bad I never thought to sarch for a simple fix before:bash:

Would I be defeatinag my purpose to run Avast! as my main AV and BD as my secondary?
Together, they still take up waaaay less space than NAV.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by sardion2000
Try this its Open Source
www.clamwin.com...


Looks promising, but too new for me to experiment with


Sardion or anyone:
Any thoughts about running two AVs?
What about BitDefender scanning yahoo email? Please see my post from 23-3-2005 at 10:20 AM, above.





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