Why Trump Should be Impeached

Where does he encourage anyone to commit a crime? That's the legal definition of incitement.

While riots were happening, numerous politicians said they should continue... Kamala Harris comes to mind immediately. I believe the term she used was "movement," and she said it shouldn't stop.

If that's not incitement, how is telling people to fight for their country incitement?

originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Over a year ago when Trump’s first impeachment proceedings had passed congress, I thought it was stupid, like really stupid, I even wrote a Thread about it. I basically believed that it was politically motivated, with him facing is second impeachment I also happen to believe that is largely politically motived, Impeachment is after all a political affair. So, it’s always going to be political, the question then is should the process reach its final destination and culminate with the removal of Trump from office. Last time I thought not, this time though I definitely do think that Trump should be removed from office and I would like to explain why.

As it stands, unless Pence invokes the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office the democrats are going to have Trump impeached in congress for the crime of “Incitement of Insurrection against the United States”. The question then is did Trump incite the events that took place on the 6th of January at the Capitol building, that’s at the very core off all of this.

Did Trump’s words or actions provoke the unlawful violence at the Capitol?

I think the answer to this question depends on your politics, it depends if you believe Trump when he claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him and his supporters through fraudulent means. If you do believe this, if you truly believe this, then you must then believe that the actions that took place on capitol hill were justified in protecting against what would amount to a coup via covert, fraudulent, criminal means. The people who invaded the Capitol done so because they believed that the election had been stolen from them and from Trump, and why did they believe this? Because that’s exactly what Trump told them, repeatedly, that the 2020 election had been stolen.

Okay so now the question becomes, Was the 2020 election stolen?

Now Trump had primed his followers for this eventuality for months before the election, he primed them by telling them that vote by mail would lead to unthinkable fraud. Then even before all of the votes had been counted there where talks of “stop the steal”, he wanted to “stop the count” when it looked like he might be losing the election.

Since losing that election Trump has massively ramped up his talk of fraud, filing lawsuits, lots of tweets ranting about how the election has been “Stolen” rather than accepting the results of the election. Lots of claims have been made to the Courts of voter fraud but so far none of them have been upheld that would prove voter fraud on the scale that would change the results.

This is biggest problem; Trump is telling his supporters that they election was stolen from them yet so far there has been no proof that has been upheld that proves voter fraud on the scale that would sway the election. So, trump is making a claim that in the absence of any proof to support it must be concluded therefore to be untrue, a lie. He knows this is a lie.

These lies where repeated during his speech on the sixth of January before the attack on Capitol hill in his hour-long speech bellow, he repeated several lies and falsehoods to his supports as he thanked them after they chanted “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump”.

This entire speech is riddled with various inflammatory lies that are going to inflame and provoke an already angry crowd but after listening to the whole thing the part that really sticks out to me is towards the end where Trump says:

Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

Since losing that election Trump has massively ramped up his talk of fraud, filing lawsuits, lots of tweets ranting about how the election has been “Stolen” rather than accepting the results of the election. Lots of claims have been made to the Courts of voter fraud but so far none of them have been upheld that would prove voter fraud on the scale that would change the results.

This is biggest problem; Trump is telling his supporters that they election was stolen from them yet so far there has been no proof that has been upheld that proves voter fraud on the scale that would sway the election. So, trump is making a claim that in the absence of any proof to support it must be concluded therefore to be untrue, a lie. He knows this is a lie.

Perhaps you think you are talking to your Democrat friends...They wouldn't know or even care if you are telling the truth...Just as you obviously don't mind stretchin' it a bit to justify your position...

You could be honest and admit that NONE of the evidence was presented before a judge...The judges wouldn't allow it...So they didn't have to rule on it...

And to say there is no evidence is just plain ignorant or dishonest...We've seen the evidence...We've listened to the eyewitnesses...We have watched the fraud in real time...

And like the impeachment committee you will ignore the evidence and testimony and impeach Trump, again...

since losing the election Obama admins and hillary Clinton supporters in 2016 have waged a campaign to frame Donald trump as an enemy of America. Despite absolutely no proof beyond allegations they have created a dangerous climate where rioters under the guise of racial justice and anti facism took control of a city and declared it an independent zone. Dozens died from the riots across the nation while democrats and news anchors cheered and called for more while continuing to insist trump is the enemy of America and all that is decent.

Continuing the lies and attacks, weaponizing impeachment (entirely theatre ... again) the dems have created a dangerous tinder box in the nation spreading fear and mistrust. We sat through years of special investigations to see clearly no collusion, no qid pro quo, no insurrection.

I fixed it for you.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Impeached? That's cute! The orange fart need to seal his f**kin mouth!

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Impeached? That's cute! The orange fart need to seal his f**kin mouth!

It seems that it is you who needs to seal your mouth, and fingers.

a reply to: Iscool

Because your socialist judges, and bought off AG and judges, by socialist elitist Soros, decided not to listen to the lawsuits it doesn't mean the lawsuits didn't have merit...

Try to use your melon for thinking and not for smacking your head against the wall every time you hear the name President Donald J. Trump...

The law states ONLY THE LEGISLATURE OR CONGRESS can make changes to election laws...

In 5 states those changes were done by judges, governors, or other government figures but not by the legislature or Congress, which makes those laws added ILLEGAL, which makes the election result ILLEGAL...

Ironically President Trump did well in most states that followed the law... but the 5 that didn't were the ones that used illegal tactics to steal the election.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I dont like this thread, is it possible you can close it?

Nah, keep it open. We need to keep everybody distracted from what really happened. I believe the protest was set up for a military operation to steal Nancy's laptop during the capital riots without the protesters knowing. If I'm right, things are really going to get heated between now and inauguration day.

In the meantime, back to the political bickering of who said what, and what did it really mean. Just for reference, the liberals did say that the protests where true violence happened was peacful. The peacful protests at the capitol were violent.

That comes directly out of George Orwells 1984 book. For those of you who do not know. The liberal media is talking newspeak. Basically, the oppsite of what they say is actually what they mean. Peace = Violence. Truth = Lies. The ministry of truth changes all truths into the truth only they want you to hear. They erase history, and create a new one. The ministry of love is the place where you go to get reeducation or tortured. China is playing out the ministry of love with their reeducation camps.

The left media is saying everything perfectly according yo the communist manifesto that Hitler followed. They are placing all the blame at Trumps feet. If you notice politicians, and some commentators are laying blame on Trump supporters also. AOC already called for a list of all Trump supporters. Others have said supporters should basically have their rights taken away.

Just watch. It starts with hate towards Trump. Then that hate is directed to supporters. Then it builds up to intolerance towards everyone who voted for Trump. While the media builds this up, they take away the voice of opposition. Youtube, google, facebook heavily censored. Parler taken down because they wouldn't censor. Gab is having difficulty, haven't been able to get in. Thankful this and bitchute are still up. Bitchute has been running slow.

The same thing happened in Germany a long time ago. How do you think they got everyone to hate the Jews? Over a period of time, and constantly blaming them for everything whether it was there fault or not. Then critizing everyone who had the oppsite opinion.

They want everyone who does not support Trump to hate everyone who does. They want them to think Trump supporters are crazy cult followers. They want to completely get rid of their opposition. I do not believe it will stop at Trump supporters. Now it is Trump supporters. Then it will be those who refuse the vaccine. Heard they were already talking about taking people who are a health threat to quarenteen place/area/fema camp.

In the meantime we can be entertained with this squabble that keeps our focus off the real issues they don't want you to see.

I have said my peace. I will be waiting for the finaly. Will Trump pull a last minute miracle with a God given trick up his sleeve, or will the swamp win?

If the swamp wins, I honestly believe we can say goodbye to America as we know it. What is coming won't be pretty. Trump supporters, Patriots, antivaccers our days are numbered. Who's next? Liberals have been hating Christsns sayin we are homophobic and intollerant. Who's next? The question should be when is it going to be your turn?

I recently watched a holocaust documentary about a Austrian Jew survivor. I remember her saying the Jews never thought it was going to happen to them.

Popcorn anyone while we watch this all play out?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Because your socialist judges, and bought off AG and judges, by socialist elitist Soros, decided not to listen to the lawsuits it doesn't mean the lawsuits didn't have merit...

It's funny because there is no evidence judges were paid off. The court cases were dismissed for valid reasons. It's sad how often you've had to shift goalposts (by you I'm referring to President Reject Trump's Fanatical Supporters Cult) just to make your narrative fit. If I ever did that, well actually I just never do that. If you have to shift goalposts to win an argument, you didn't really win, did you?

You speak of irony but the ultimate irony in your post is that you don't seem to care that the rules were also changed in states Trump won, you don't have issue with that though, it's only the States Drumpf lost in that bother you. Double standards, irony, shifting goalposts. Face it, you're on the losing side.

originally posted by: Mystery_Lady
The same thing happened in Germany a long time ago.

Around the same time the Drumpf family left Germany and changed their name to Trump?

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: Mystery_Lady
The same thing happened in Germany a long time ago.

Around the same time the Drumpf family left Germany and changed their name to Trump?

Are you pretending that the us and Uk didn’t take on countless nazi into their ranks following the war? Surely you’ve heard of project paper clip?

You’ve got egg everywhere

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Because your socialist judges, and bought off AG and judges, by socialist elitist Soros, decided not to listen to the lawsuits it doesn't mean the lawsuits didn't have merit...

It's funny because there is no evidence judges were paid off. The court cases were dismissed for valid reasons. It's sad how often you've had to shift goalposts (by you I'm referring to President Reject Trump's Fanatical Supporters Cult) just to make your narrative fit. If I ever did that, well actually I just never do that. If you have to shift goalposts to win an argument, you didn't really win, did you?

You speak of irony but the ultimate irony in your post is that you don't seem to care that the rules were also changed in states Trump won, you don't have issue with that though, it's only the States Drumpf lost in that bother you. Double standards, irony, shifting goalposts. Face it, you're on the losing side.

Double standards? You want to talk about double standards? My egg covered friend, you call it a mostly peaceful protest when you agree with the rioters, you call them terrorists when you don’t (we call them all rioters). Shifting goal posts? How about this impeachment? The goal post has been moved to a new stadium every news cycle.

Go wash up.

a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Will Trump pull a last minute miracle with a God given trick up his sleeve, or will the swamp win?

Whatever happens, the NWO will eventually achieve their agenda and gain full control of the planet for 9 months. Only after these 9 months will divine intervention occur.

When are these 9 months you ask? Thats the million dollar question. Some scholars believe its either 2022, some say its 2028!

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Will Trump pull a last minute miracle with a God given trick up his sleeve, or will the swamp win?

Whatever happens, the NWO will eventually achieve their agenda and gain full control of the planet for 9 months. Only after these 9 months will divine intervention occur.

When are these 9 months you ask? Thats the million dollar question. Some scholars believe its either 2022, some say its 2028!

And the rest of us call that bullsh!t...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Except the only people that are saying this are trump supporters. And no official sources besides trump are confirming "the steal" theory.

So it's hard to believe and comes off as mostly bias conspiracy especially when you consider that Trump has a history of exclaiming cheating and told his followers there may be cheating before the election happened.

So it's hard to take any claims of cheating seriously.
Especially by the Qanon people of ATS.

a reply to: Mystery_Lady

You speak of intolerance yet you have a rabid intolerance for what you call "the left".

The irony on here from Trump fanatics is off the scale.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Except the only people that are saying this are trump supporters. And no official sources besides trump are confirming "the steal" theory.

So it's hard to believe and comes off as mostly bias conspiracy especially when you consider that Trump has a history of exclaiming cheating and told his followers there may be cheating before the election happened.

So it's hard to take any claims of cheating seriously.
Especially by the Qanon people of ATS.

If that is what you believe, then the liberal propaganda machine worked like a charm. I don't believe claims of fraud because only Trump spoke up about it.

I hear the senators and judges admit there are irregularities, but refuse too look into it. WHY? Because it is not enough to turn the vote around?

That is called fear, and being in bed with the enemy not really wanting to uncover how deep this goes. If it truly wasn't enough to turn the votes, and only small isolated cases, then they would be handing everything over to be inspected.

I watched and heard many credible witnesses. There were so many that I'm sure only a small part were acutally heard. I saw the science behind the machines of how they could flip votes.

I believe the hard evidence was either being held back for a court case, and/or being held back from the lawyers when counties refused to hand over information and ballots. What are they hiding?

I have seen news stories ob ballots being dropped and thrown away by various USPS workers in different states. How is any of this normal?

If vote counting centers would have allowed GOP obserbers in and do their jobs, if senators did not admit there were irregularities, if those irregularities were allowed to be fully investigated properly, if the machines were able to be looked at by forensics experts, if I did not see the vote skyrocket for Biden overnight, if Texas and other states didn't try to being a lawsuit to the supreme court, then I would believe there was no vote fraud.

Someone who has nothing to hide would have allowed everything to be investigated. Even if the vote fraud was small it should still have a full investigation to find out how it happened, and make changes so it can not happen again. Otherwise how can we trust the integrity of the elections?

As far as the Georgia elections go, the same county pulled the same trick it did in the presidental elections. They stopped counting at night, sent everyone home. How do I know a few didn't hide, or come back a little later on to spike the count? How can I trust that was a fair election?

I can't. I will not be able to trust any election from now on until this one has been fully investigated by someone other than the Democratic party, or RINO.

As you see, my belief has nothing to do with Trump. It has been increased with the media censoring everyone who speaks out about voter fraud, and social media stopping people from talking about it. Liberal senators villifying Trump supporters.

a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Actually, the reality is that Trump's "legal team" were incompetent shysters peddling wild allegations in fatally flawed law suits without anything like sufficient evidence of massive electoral fraud to justify overturning the election result which suits were rightly tossed out of Court.

Because they were utter rubbish.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

You speak of intolerance yet you have a rabid intolerance for what you call "the left".

The irony on here from Trump fanatics is off the scale.

No, the irony is that you precieve that I'm intollerant because I'm calling out the left for their lies and actions. When the true intolerance comes from the left themselves.

They have been pounding that lie in everyone with the help of mainstream media that poeple are starting to really believe it. Trump supporters are intollerant, violent, racist, liars. I see it in the news, from senators lips, commentaries, talk shows day in and day out, over and over again.

Im actually not suprised you think like this. This is a part of their agenda. Anyone who disagrees with them is labled.

If they succeed, that labling is only going to get worse. It will be intensified to the point where people will be cheering when we get arrested and taken to the camps.

If you dont think that is going to happen, guess again. This is history repeating itself.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Actually, the reality is that Trump's "legal team" were incompetent shysters peddling wild allegations in fatally flawed law suits without anything like sufficient evidence of massive electoral fraud to justify overturning the election result which suits were rightly tossed out of Court.

Because they were utter rubbish.

I saw more than enough evidence to bring this to court. I have seen cases brought to court with a lot less evidence than what Trump's legal team had. Trump's legal team is anything but incompetent. Falling for media lies aren't you?

originally posted by: Mystery_Lady

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

Actually, the reality is that Trump's "legal team" were incompetent shysters peddling wild allegations in fatally flawed law suits without anything like sufficient evidence of massive electoral fraud to justify overturning the election result which suits were rightly tossed out of Court.

Because they were utter rubbish.

I saw more than enough evidence to bring this to court. I have seen cases brought to court with a lot less evidence than what Trump's legal team had. Trump's legal team is anything but incompetent. Falling for media lies aren't you?

No, I'm a lawyer, admittedly in the UK, and not falling for media lies at all.

Just my professional opinion.

I know a steaming pile of wombat's doos when I see one.

Not incompetent? Their track record strongly suggests otherwise and looks like Rudy is heading for disbarment.

originally posted by: Mystery_Lady

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

You speak of intolerance yet you have a rabid intolerance for what you call "the left".

The irony on here from Trump fanatics is off the scale.

No, the irony is that you precieve that I'm intollerant because I'm calling out the left for their lies and actions. When the true intolerance comes from the left themselves.

They have been pounding that lie in everyone with the help of mainstream media that poeple are starting to really believe it. Trump supporters are intollerant, violent, racist, liars. I see it in the news, from senators lips, commentaries, talk shows day in and day out, over and over again.

Im actually not suprised you think like this. This is a part of their agenda. Anyone who disagrees with them is labled.

If they succeed, that labling is only going to get worse. It will be intensified to the point where people will be cheering when we get arrested and taken to the camps.

If you dont think that is going to happen, guess again. This is history repeating itself.

But you happily label "the left".

I think like what? Just pointing out your intolerance and hypocrisy, and I'm not on the left.