Why Trump Should be Impeached

a reply to: djz3ro

The AP is off by at least 58,000,000. That's why you can't go by news articles that tell you these things. Too many people (not directed at you) read it and never think twice about going right along with the information provided. According to the Census Bureau Voting and Registration in the Election of November 2018 there were 153,066,000 registered voters of which 122,281,000 (**53.4%) voted.

**Percentage reflects the citizen population of people 18 and older which is 228,832,000.

The Census Bureau is the only accurate source for voter information.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: shooterbrody

You did.

Time for you to go to bed.

Too much lolling. Put the bottle down and go sleepy.

Theres a good chap.

Nighty night.

No
I never posted that
Nice try tho

Lol
Not a euro
Ahahahaha

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
The uk is on the European continent no matter how much you deny.
Sorry euro, you are simply incorrect.
Again.

Geographically speaking it is physically part of Europe, we just left the European Union.

There are a number of [mainly English] Britons that doubt this fact though.

Physically, how? English Channel not a thing?

All that salty wet stuff in the way?

I give up.

I really do.

You do know that these guys think we are physically joined to continental European mainland?

FFS.

We are physically part of Europe but the English Channel separates us from Continental Europe.

No, you are a part of the continent of Europe. Just like Tasmania is a part of the continent of Australia.

Your got to face reality here... you poms are in fact euro trash... lol.

The denials are too funny!
Hilarious even.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Over a year ago when Trump’s first impeachment proceedings had passed congress, I thought it was stupid, like really stupid, I even wrote a Thread about it. I basically believed that it was politically motivated, with him facing is second impeachment I also happen to believe that is largely politically motived, Impeachment is after all a political affair. So, it’s always going to be political, the question then is should the process reach its final destination and culminate with the removal of Trump from office. Last time I thought not, this time though I definitely do think that Trump should be removed from office and I would like to explain why.

As it stands, unless Pence invokes the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office the democrats are going to have Trump impeached in congress for the crime of “Incitement of Insurrection against the United States”. The question then is did Trump incite the events that took place on the 6th of January at the Capitol building, that’s at the very core off all of this.

Did Trump’s words or actions provoke the unlawful violence at the Capitol?

I think the answer to this question depends on your politics, it depends if you believe Trump when he claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him and his supporters through fraudulent means. If you do believe this, if you truly believe this, then you must then believe that the actions that took place on capitol hill were justified in protecting against what would amount to a coup via covert, fraudulent, criminal means. The people who invaded the Capitol done so because they believed that the election had been stolen from them and from Trump, and why did they believe this? Because that’s exactly what Trump told them, repeatedly, that the 2020 election had been stolen.

Okay so now the question becomes, Was the 2020 election stolen?

Now Trump had primed his followers for this eventuality for months before the election, he primed them by telling them that vote by mail would lead to unthinkable fraud. Then even before all of the votes had been counted there where talks of “stop the steal”, he wanted to “stop the count” when it looked like he might be losing the election.

Since losing that election Trump has massively ramped up his talk of fraud, filing lawsuits, lots of tweets ranting about how the election has been “Stolen” rather than accepting the results of the election. Lots of claims have been made to the Courts of voter fraud but so far none of them have been upheld that would prove voter fraud on the scale that would change the results.

This is biggest problem; Trump is telling his supporters that they election was stolen from them yet so far there has been no proof that has been upheld that proves voter fraud on the scale that would sway the election. So, trump is making a claim that in the absence of any proof to support it must be concluded therefore to be untrue, a lie. He knows this is a lie.

These lies where repeated during his speech on the sixth of January before the attack on Capitol hill in his hour-long speech bellow, he repeated several lies and falsehoods to his supports as he thanked them after they chanted “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump”.

This entire speech is riddled with various inflammatory lies that are going to inflame and provoke an already angry crowd but after listening to the whole thing the part that really sticks out to me is towards the end where Trump says:

Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

Since losing that election Trump has massively ramped up his talk of fraud, filing lawsuits, lots of tweets ranting about how the election has been “Stolen” rather than accepting the results of the election. Lots of claims have been made to the Courts of voter fraud but so far none of them have been upheld that would prove voter fraud on the scale that would change the results.

This is biggest problem; Trump is telling his supporters that they election was stolen from them yet so far there has been no proof that has been upheld that proves voter fraud on the scale that would sway the election. So, trump is making a claim that in the absence of any proof to support it must be concluded therefore to be untrue, a lie. He knows this is a lie.

Perhaps you think you are talking to your Democrat friends...They wouldn't know or even care if you are telling the truth...Just as you obviously don't mind stretchin' it a bit to justify your position...

You could be honest and admit that NONE of the evidence was presented before a judge...The judges wouldn't allow it...So they didn't have to rule on it...

And to say there is no evidence is just plain ignorant or dishonest...We've seen the evidence...We've listened to the eyewitnesses...We have watched the fraud in real time...

And like the impeachment committee you will ignore the evidence and testimony and impeach Trump, again...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I dont like this thread, is it possible you can close it?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No.

Rabid leftists like you are so rabid for "revenge" about 2016 that you are willing to push any LIE.

At no point did Trump said to rush, storm, invade, attack (etc.) or anything of the sort against the Capitol or ANY building or person.

LEFTISTS however:




pjmedia.com... list-state-n57748

Keep right up putting words in people's mouths, and PROJECTING and don't be shocked when no one believes leftist gross LIES.

a reply to: M5xaz

Sorry I don’t recall the left invading the capital building resulting in 5 deaths

the rights conversation has remained consistent, condemning riots and political violence. The conversation from more “mainstream” sources encouraged mostly peaceful protests which resulted in the loss of life for dozens of people.

Your credibility is all used up when you show your hand like that.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

a reply to: LSU2018

Simple answer yes look at how 2020 was different. One covid so alot of people are at home. This also means canvasing becomes more effective since people are at home. This of course leads to higher registration i know in my neighborhood they came through at least 3 times registering people to vote. Even one group was using laptops and showing how to register online and would walk you through it. Had the forms to request mail in ballots also they made it easy for people to vote.

Then you had Trump getting out the vote and people who hate Trump voting in record numbers. This election was not about which party you want to lead this election was if you like or hate Trump. You could have ran anyone against Trump it was never about the candidate only the fact they were not Trump.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Also, f# the EU.

Yes. We just did that. Brexit.

Really? I hadn't heard.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: stosh64
Did anyone really read all that??

We all know what it said without reading.

REEEEEEEEEEEE w/ a Brit accent....

Yeah. I actually read ALL of it.

It's f'ing ridiculous.

Care to elaborate on what you find ridiculous?

Yup. You should be talking about the Queen. Now if a bunch of Americans started bitching about the Queen or strongly supported the side of Brexit that you are not on, I'm just guessing that your reaction would be to "butt out!" because it's none of our business. And you would be right.

No it wouldn't, we have this happen a lot. And none is us would tell you to butt out, do you know why? This is an international website on the World Wide Web, we post where we please, don't like it? Ignore our comments and move on. Engaging us is being a hypocrite!

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

And you're all convicts, what's your point?

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Also, f# the EU.

Yes. We just did that. Brexit.

Really? I hadn't heard.

Not keeping up with current events then.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: M5xaz

Sorry I don’t recall the left invading the capital building resulting in 5 deaths

Major leftist leader were CALLING specifically for violence

View the little picture above. I know you can do it.


Leftist violence CHAZ zone declaring "independence from the US" is by definition a true textbook case of "insurrection".

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Nice deflection.

So inciting violence is only bad if its the Capitol and or during an important process? Get real.

First, at no point did Trump incite any violence. In fact the opposite is true. If you are going to raise the bar and punish Trump for something you people drunk with hate and power interpret literally instead of figuratively, then everyone should be held to the same standards.

The left have literally, not figuratively, incited violence resulting in more than 700 police officer injuries, several deaths, billions of dollars in damages, police and federal buildings destroyed, businesses destroyed, and more. The democrats should be held equally liable.

If the right has to live in your dystopia, the left should to. According to you, we should interpret every political action verbiage like "fight", "battle", "push back", "take action", "be active" and any other common metaphor, and blame them for every illegal activity an extremists from their party took part in.

That means Nancy Pelosi should be impeached for inciting the 2017 Congressional baseball shooting.
en.wikipedia.org...

Others still in politics today should be charged with inciting the left-wing extremist that bombed the Capitol.
www.politico.com...

If you raise the bar, be prepared to live under it.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: M5xaz

Sorry I don’t recall the left invading the capital building resulting in 5 deaths

Major leftist leader were CALLING specifically for violence

View the little picture above. I know you can do it.


Leftist violence CHAZ zone declaring "independence from the US" is by definition a true textbook case of "insurrection".

And they were using unambiguous language. Telling people to specifically use violence.


You could cite at least 100 cases where the term "Fight like hell" has used in political speeches, and purely metaphorical.

The idea that it was intended to incite actual violence in just this one case, but in 100 others it just means go out and campaign harder, or tell your friends to write to their congressman.

That isn't very convincing basis for legal action against the person who said it.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So we have Trump, Baby Trump and Trumps B!tch all using inflammatory language to a crowd of angry people who they made angry by feeding them lies.

Isn't calling someone 'Trumps Bitch' inflammatory language?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
...
Did Trump’s words or actions provoke the unlawful violence at the Capitol?

I think the answer to this question depends on your politics, it depends if you believe Trump when he claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him and his supporters through fraudulent means. If you do believe this, if you truly believe this, then you must then believe that the actions that took place on capitol hill were justified in protecting against what would amount to a coup via covert, fraudulent, criminal means. The people who invaded the Capitol done so because they believed that the election had been stolen from them and from Trump, and why did they believe this? Because that’s exactly what Trump told them, repeatedly, that the 2020 election had been stolen.
...

Nope, sorry to rain in your made up parade but either he did or he didn't... If he did PROVE IT showing in specific the section in his speech in which YOU, & the rest of the LYING never-Trumpers, claim that the President incited violence...

Ironically many of your left-wing idols, including in the lying media, have incited for violence... Yet did you make a thread about it and about how they should be impeached for inciting violence?... Naa, you probably celebrated and drolled over the perspective alonside your wannabe socialist dictatorial leaders/idols.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So we have Trump, Baby Trump and Trumps B!tch all using inflammatory language to a crowd of angry people who they made angry by feeding them lies.

Isn't calling someone 'Trumps Bitch' inflammatory language?

Nope, not on ATS if it comes from the never-Trumpers...

After all, you can still search the forum and every thread made with the claim "Trump colluded with Russia" still exists without having been moved to the hoax bin... That should tell you all you need to know...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sorry I guess my sarcasm was lost in translation....

I think quite a few Americans are having buyers remorse right now....