Congress Pushes for Federal Review of Schiavo

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posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:01 AM
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the color of the skin? so this wouldn't be going on if she was black? or maybe bush would still do this if she was black because she lives in florida? hahahaha what crazy talk. i bet if she was a black lesbian from san francisco but was born in florida bush would still get involved because of the florida connection. they better not check on her voting status when she was still healthy because if she is a democrat bush will immediately repeal this legislature. or maybe not, she is still from florida.




posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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My problem with the husband is (all politics aside) that since day one, he deliberatedly intruded in all forms of rehabilitation for Terri, not allowing her exposed to any sunlight, wanted her fed with tube..etc. Anyone knows that if person in this condition isnt somewhat rehabilitated from the get go, the person atrophies more and more therefore allowing that person to get progressively worse.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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They should let her pass away. Have an autopsy preformed on her. If they can prove abuse by him charge him with murder or domestic violence.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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this strangest part is that letting her pass naturally is more of a violent death than giving a inmate a lethal injection. they don't let your dog die of starvation/dehydration when you take it to the vet. they put it to sleep. the barbarism of letting a person starve to death is something you'd see in a dr. mengele biography.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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VATICAN CITY - The Vatican newspaper on Monday criticized the removal of a feeding tube from a brain-damaged Florida woman, saying nobody can claim the right to decide whether a human being lives or dies.

"Who can, before God and humanity, pretend with impunity to claim such a right?" L'Osservatore Romano said. "Who — and on the basis of which criteria — can establish to whom the 'privilege' to live should be given?"

The remarks from the Vatican paper, which reflected earlier comments from several Vatican prelates, came after the U.S. Congress passed a law in an emergency session giving Terri Schiavo's parents the right to file suit in federal court over the withdrawal of nourishment and medical treatment needed to sustain their daughter. President Bush has signed the bill.

Source: Yahoo! News


This is significant because the Catholic Church usually takes the stance that extrordinary efforts do not need to be performed to maintain life support. They must not consider the feeding tube to be an extrordinary measure.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Wow this is absolutely shocking!!!! This is nothing other than murder. If you don't feed your baby you'd be sent to jail but the Florida courts are mandating starvation.

You can believe her if you want but, I question Where has she been for the past 8 years? Coming forward at this time is suspecious to me.

She filed a sworn affidavit 8 years ago when the incidents happened.
The courts ignored her and sided with the 'husband' to kill Terri off.
What else was this woman supposed to do when the courts all went
against her and her eye witness accounts?? She was screaming into
on oncoming wind. No one heard her. Perhaps NOW that the eyes
of the nation are upon this case ... perhaps NOW justice will be served
and the 'husband' will be investigated for criminal neglect and/or
multiple attempted murders upon poor Terri.

www.newsmax.com...


[edit on 3/21/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:39 AM
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"Who can, before God and humanity, pretend with impunity to claim such a right?" L'Osservatore Romano said. "Who — and on the basis of which criteria — can establish to whom the 'privilege' to live should be given?"


Then keep the tube removed and let God decide. I think we all know what the result of that will be... You can't apply vague decrees to specific circumstances.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Then keep the tube removed and let God decide. I think we all know what the result of that will be... You can't apply vague decrees to specific circumstances.


Amen to that, if God will is for the women to respond and start feeding by herself God will, will be done.

But we all know that the issue is not God or God will and that is why no body wants to take the initiative but the husband.

Is not about Terri after all, she serve better purpose alive.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by MauiStacey
They should let her pass away. Have an autopsy preformed on her.
If they can prove abuse by him charge him with murder or domestic violence.


Let the murderer finish the job ... then investigate?


I have never heard of such a thing. The woman was a battered
wife. Bruises all over her body. Bone trama everywhere. She
said she wanted a divorce and within days she 'collapses' and
ends up disabled. The husband refuses to allow her to eat food
even though she is capable and he insists on a feeding tube
even though it isn't fully needed. He insists on no physical therapy
to improve her condition. Then ... when the feeding tube (which isn't
fully necessary) is in ... he insists on removing it and starving her to death.

My God! Let him finish off the innocent victim? Are you sure you
ment to say that????



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:50 AM
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FlyersFan, Im with you on this. It appears that she was severely battered. I think this is a case of the husband wanting to silence her for ever.
By the way, has he been investigated, or has any attempt to do this been quashed by the government?



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Then keep the tube removed and let God decide. I think we all know what the result of that will be... You can't apply vague decrees to specific circumstances.


God works in mysterious ways. This could all be part of his plan for Terri.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by Gazrok
Then keep the tube removed and let God decide.

Amen to that, if God will is for the women to respond and
start feeding by herself God will, will be done.


There ya' go. Marg and Gazrok have just voiced what is probably a
HUGE fear among the disabled community in America right now. Geee ...
she can't feed herself so let her die. How many people in America right
now can't feed themselves? Should we just let them all die? How many
people in America can't get to the supermarket because they are house-
bound or are disabled to the point that they can't shop? Do we let them
all die? How many people are mentally retarded and can't understand
money or shopping ... do we let them die?

VERY slippery slope there folks. VERY. If I were physically or mentally
disabled, I'd be shaking in my boots right now over all this. I'd be afraid
that radicals would be coming to kill me next because I can't eat by
myself, or I can't contribute to what society considers 'important'.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
And...you have a recording of the conversation?

Absolutely unecessary. THe man is her husband. If he says that was her wish, its good enough for the court.


Its hearsay and speculation, thats all.

Hearsay is that it didn't happen. Speculation is that he made it up. His sayso is sufficient for the law.



Makes one wonder why he waited 7 long years and then suddenly remembered his conversation with Terri. hmm?

You mean, it makes one speculate on matters that aren't even your business, hmm?


marg6043
Funny that in all these years that the woman has been disable nobody has blame the husband

Whats more 'funny' is that he's never been charged, arrested, or convicted, or even held in suspicsion, of any crime by anyone involved in the case. Rather, we see people who've got nothin' to do with nothin' disgustingly throwing out lies and fantasys. That he poisoned her. That he's trying to get trillions of dollars from insurance. Hell, the story that she is 'healthy but disabled' is a lie in and of itself.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:05 AM
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Not nearly as slippery a slope as allowing the federal government to circumvent the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court...



FlyersFan, Im with you on this. It appears that she was severely battered. I think this is a case of the husband wanting to silence her for ever.
By the way, has he been investigated, or has any attempt to do this been quashed by the government?


Yes, and there were no grounds for it, or the DCF injunction would have ensured the tube would still be in.

BTW, the Tampa hearing is at 3pm EST, we won't know much more till then.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
The man is her husband. If he says that was her
wish, its good enough for the court.

BUT considering the events and circumstances, he
could be her murderer as well. At the very least guilty of
criminal neglect after the fact. Just because someone
is related, doesn't mean that they have your best
interests at heart. Oh .. and he said on Larry King
that he didn't know what Terri wanted ... he said that
'we' are doing what we want. So he has contradicted
himself as to what exactly Terri wanted and contradicted
early statements that she told him.

You mean, it makes one speculate on matters that
aren't even your business, hmm?

Society is judged on how it treats the most vulnerable of
that society. To allow mistreatment of the disabled is
barbaric.

Were the Nazi Concentration camps not the business of
the German people? Innocent people were murdered.
Innocent people were tortured. The Nazi law allowed it
and even encouraged it. Was it not the business of the
German people because the concentration camps were
following the letter of the law??

Sorry NYGDAN - I usually agree with you or at least find
your posts well educated and extremely well thought out.
But I fully disagree with you when you insinuate that this
is none of society's business.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:07 AM
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Thanks, Gazrok, i wasnt even sure on that one.

A slippery slope indeed.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Not nearly as slippery a slope as allowing the federal government to circumvent the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court...

Please explain more. Thanks.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
has he been investigated ..

Not that I have read anywhere. But after hearing Sen. Tom Delay's
remarks about him, I hope to God he will be. Criminal neglect at best.
At worst .. attempted murder with torture for the past decade. He's
as guilty of criminal neglect as the days are long .... I have HIGH
hopes Sen. Tom Delay's comments (shown on TV yesterday) mean
that they will work behind the scenes to get to the bottom of his
behavior.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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I hope so. They owe it to the public if nothing else.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 01:37 PM
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this will be awesome if she is allowed to die. it paves the way for thousands of families with retarded vegetable kids to put their children out of misery if they wish. even if the kids never were able to express their wish to live, the parents are the legal guardian just like mike.





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