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reply posted on 21-3-2005 @ 12:28 AM by boogyman
I dont understand how everyone ignores the fact that most of her cerebral cortex is gone.
Image of Mrs. Schiavos CAT scan

That large black spot in the middle isnt supposed to be there. Thats empty hollow space thats been filled in with spinal fluid.

This has been through court people.
Acredited proffesionals have stated on multiple occasions that most of Mrs. Schiavos brain is gone or nonfunctional. Read the court transcripts its all there.
The "experts" hired by the Schindlers and the ProLife lobby dont even make an effort to dispute this fact.


reply posted on 21-3-2005 @ 12:33 AM by MattMarriott
www.google.com...

[edit on 21-3-2005 by MattMarriott]



reply posted on 21-3-2005 @ 12:49 AM by nightwing
I used to find really different "takes" on current events here. But this is getting irritating. SO needs to add another black band I think. I am a lazy
person and dont like working enough to provide the "different" take, except most boards I have seen tonight are beginning to look like this topic development.
So irritated that I will throw something out and see if it sticks. References as required.

For those that feel that Congress cannot do this special law stuff, have a read of The US Constitution, Article II, Section 2. Quote:

Clause 2: In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, "with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. "

There, that should have filtered all the dancing bananas. Anyone still here ? Ok, ignore the right-to-life issue, the public appeals, the he said - she said media drama. Congress is in session
tonight. Ignore the politics. Is there ANY other possible reason for this level of attention?

I submit that there is a Sea Change in law going on that is happening on a level beyond the
general public, and the legal orientation of Congress means they are aware but politics prohibits direct public disclosure. Most people would either fall asleep or change the channel
anyway.

Simply put, our rule of law as you put it, can be categorized in modern terms as Criminal and Civil Law. This law evolves over time by precedants. A monstrous change is very bad.
The Schiavo case looks to be a Sea Change. In Civil Law, neither side is treated as a criminal and damages awards may involve restitution but NEVER personal, criminal penalty.
I.E. without malice. In Criminal Law, (with malice) convictions carry personal, criminal penalty. While the penalties for criminal convictions continue to erode, we can note that personal penalties are being sneaked into Civil Law. So legally speaking, we have the Schiavo precedant, in CIVIL Law, with a peanut judge ordering THE DEATH SENTENCE of a Citizen without
Miranda rights, trial by jury, etc.. in the Bill Of Rights. Ignore the living will stuff, there aint one, so the precedant will be to grant a non-constitutional power to Civil Law Judges in a
town near you. Yes, I know, the Roe Vs Wade thingy could be said to have already done that, but it is well disguised behind the facade of the definition of life. Legally therefore
and to borrow a phrase from one of Gazrok's posts, a fetus isnt even "talking meat". And neither is Terri, she is, I keep hearing, in a "vegitative" state. Next will be the infirm ?
Elderly ? Those who gleefully deny ignorance to avoid acknowledgment and correction of same ?


References:
www.law.cornell.edu...
Criminal law involves prosecution by the government of a person for an act that has been classified as a crime. Civil cases, on the other hand, involve individuals and organizations seeking to resolve legal disputes. In a criminal case the state, through a prosecutor, initiates the suit, while in a civil case the victim brings the suit. Persons convicted of a crime may be incarcerated, fined, or both. However, persons found liable in a civil case may only have to give up property or pay money, but are not incarcerated.

en.wikipedia.org...
Unlike criminal law, Civil law regulates relationships amongst persons and organizations. Civil law, in this sense, is usually referring to redress to civil law courts (as opposed to criminal courts) and is often used as a means to resolve disputes involving accidents (torts such as negligence), libel and other intentional torts, contract disputes, the probate of wills, and trusts, and any other private matters that can be resolved between private parties. Violations of civil law are considered to be torts or breaches of contract, rather than crimes.


Guess:
nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

And the dancing bananas sing in chorus : "The Patriot Act is Bad but we love Judge Greer"



reply posted on 21-3-2005 @ 06:55 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
See, the problem that only a few people see, is that this isn't what 'the people' want, it's just what you people want...


Starvation is NOT what Terri asked for ...

transcripts.cnn.com...

Transcript from the Larry King Show

Michael Schiavo admits that he doesn't now,
and never did, know what Terri wanted in this
situation. All his talk about Terri claiming
that she didn't want a feeding tube ... he
made it all up just to kill her off. He admits
that it is what 'we' (he and his partner in
adultery) want.

EXCERPT from the show -

"I won't give it up," he said. "Terri is my life. I'm going to carry out her
wishes to the very end. This is what she wanted. It's not about the
Schindlers. It's not about me, not about Congress. It's about Terri."

Shortly after saying his determination to end Terri's life was about her
wishes, Schiavo changed his story in the King interview. Asked if he
understood her family's feelings, he said: "Yes, I do. But this is not about
them, it's about Terri. And I've also said that in court. We didn't know
what Terri wanted, but this is what we want. ..."

We didn't know what Terri wanted,
but this is what we want...


reply posted on 21-3-2005 @ 07:58 AM by shots
Originally posted by namehere

And mr. schiavo is lying, none of the money went to any care, as soon as he won the money he started denying any help for her even refusing to let her be treated for an infection she had, she was getting better untill he started denying treatment.

[edit on 20-3-2005 by namehere]


That is incorrect she did get rehab and help even a cat scan contrary to what the parents are saying

SCHIAVO: Let's talk about the rehab.

When this happened to Terri, I sued Prudential Insurance for her rehab benefits. She (AUDIO GAP) Bayfront Medical Center for three months getting extensive rehab...

KING: In Clearwater, right?

SCHIAVO: In St. Petersburg.

KING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

SCHIAVO: She spent three months there. Then, while she was there, we heard of this doctor in California here that was doing experimental surgery, implanting stimulators in people's brains in hopes to stimulate any activity.

Now, we were told with this, too (Ph) when this doctor looked at the CAT scans, that it was probably not going to work Because there's just no brain left. But I did it anyway, because I loved Terri. And I wanted to bring my wife back. I wanted to have my wife back in me.

So I flew her out to California by myself, with a nurse. And I spent a month there. They inserted the stimulator.

KING: Didn't work?

SCHIAVO: No, it eventually didn't work, no. The protocol for the stimulator was three months. I kept it on her for a year.

KING: Did she ever speak since 1990? SCHIAVO: Terri never has spoken a word.

KING: So various types of rehab were conducted?

SCHIAVO: Right. When I got -- when I brought her back from California, I put her in a rehab called meddaplaques in Bradenton, Florida. They deal with only head injury, spine injury patients. They worked estentionally (ph) -- they had physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, recreational therapy. They worked extensively with Terri.

KING: Nothing?

SCHIAVO: Nothing. And her mother and father were there. And they heard this. They knew this.

KING: So accusing you of not giving her any rehab is false?

SCHIAVO: Right.

Larry King live Interview


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