posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 01:11 AM
First your post is a breath of fresh air in a sea of numbed minds. I am glad to see someone is willing to do research, and take a subject seriously.
Whether or not we agree, at least you are thinking. I will offer a slightly different interpretation of the facts, please tell me what you think.
“According to the Malleus Maleficarum, or "Witches' Hammer", succubi would collect semen from the men they slept with, which incubi
would then use to impregnate women. Children so begotten were supposed to be more susceptible to the influence of demons”
My studies how shown that the “hammer” maybe incorrect in this conclusion, if it holds it all, as I have not read it lately. It could very well
be that Succubi, incubi, do indeed attack persons, but to say that demons can transport sperm “might” be in error. I believe that it is the case
of demons sexually attacking people. That some young girls, would have sex voluntary or be raped and then use the stories of succubi to cover as you
said. I do not believe that anybody would have bought the idea right off the bat, of some girl saying a demon did it, in order to cover. Without the
history of succubi, already in place. If monks, and nuns, have been attacked, and rumors were around, then one could use that to cover a real act.
You listed a number of origins for this problem, except it being real. This activity has been reported in many cultures Christian and non-Christian,
even before Christianity.
1. The Pagan Greeks 300 b.c. spoke of this. Zeus, the god, was the master rapist who raped many women. He raped Leda in the form of a swan. He raped
Danae disguised as the rain. He raped Alkmen disguised as her own husband. Zeus even raped other men, such as Ganymede. To the common man,they usually
staked out water wells and then raped the women when they went to get water. It was also common to rape prostitutes, slaves, and their own wives.
There are too many stories in Greek Paganism to list them, Pan, Bacchus, and the rest were often having sex with humans.
2. Bonism, which predates Buddhism, was concerned with ghosts who would rape women.
3. Voodoo, and Hinduism are full of this. There is a reason.
4. In Christianity chastity is correct, good, and sex is for marriage. It is very logical to think that demons would attack Christians sexually to
get them to fall in to sin. Most people would not want to go to confession, and say a “demon raped me”, it would be much easier to say I had a
wet dream. Writings from the Early Church Fathers, and the Canons, accept both as real. One you had a wet dream, or two you were attacked by a
demon. Neither was considered a big deal, as wet dreams were understood as normal, all of this is written in the year 300a.d. long before the middle
ages. The penance was that you could not go to Holy Communion the next day, as it was seen as being unclean.
5. The life of St. Anthony the Great, talks much about being attacked by demons.
In summary, I do not think it is correct to say: that whole idea of sexual demons is someone’s attempt, of getting out of trouble, because who
would want a demon child????? Second, I know that many hate the Roman Catholics, but they did not create evil or demons or Christianity. This is
giving them way too much credit.
Further more people are talking about this happening now. I personally know people who have had this happen, who had never thought of it before, were
not Christians of any kind. So, it is rather easy to prove the existence of demons by historical accounts of cultures, and would not be a very big
leap of logic to say that could effect people sexually. Although I do agree that some girls probably used this as a cover for rape or fornication.
Not only that but child molesters (fathers) could have also called upon this to explain why their 12 year daughter was pregnant.
This part is not for you, Jukyu.
The real point is that this is a real thing, happening to real people, and they need to be taken seriously and not laughed off. Think about it, how
would you like to be raped by demons, then try and talk to someone about it and have everyone laugh at you. Have them, tell you that you should take
drugs and such. This forum is supposed to be about, the unexplained, not ridicule.