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originally posted by: loam
a reply to: okrian
So in other words, rather that engage in discussion about policy and governance, you're more interested in motivations?
It's seems to me the moral litmus tests need to be dispensed with, if we have any hope of healing as a nation.
Peace is made with your 'enemies', not your friends. For that to happen, you have to stop maligning the character of your 'opponents'.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JAGStorm
Seems like that is actually the case.
Regardless, we now have a one-party government everywhere but the SCOTUS and they don't seem too interested in giving up the fascist structure Republicans were all too willing to build for them.
Actions have consequences.
When I say that Americans view fascism favorably, I meant that independently of party affiliation. I really feel like Americans love the fascism they've built for themselves and the reaction to net neutrality among the right, in general, seems to fit that bill. Right now, it's the conservatives that are feeling the brunt of this newly-found fascist love affair that their own Republican party has cast them aside for. Eventually, it will be everyone.
There was no victory on November 3rd for Americans anywhere. I maintained that then and I maintain it now.
originally posted by: nemonimity
I am all for conservatives having their own platforms if liberals are going to maintain their own.
I'd be willing to bet if the right felt more enfranchised by the people who run and control most of the wealth and resources on that side, there would be a lot less of the radicalization we've seen recently and a generally happier and better outlook.
originally posted by: okrian
So then critiques were just dismissed with simpleton writeoffs like "orange man bad" or "TDS". To say that people hate Trump for no reason is lazy.
But I would agree that hating a position Trump takes just because its Trump is also lazy. And I think that at this point many just have learned not to believe anything Trump says, so it makes it hard to trust anything, good or bad at this point. Or the fact that Trump has flip-flopped on so many positions that no one knows what to believe.
Pre-Trump I also don't think politics were so widely discussed constantly. But this is also due to the fact that Trump was injecting himself into the fray every single day. And as president, we as Americans have a responsibility to pay attention.
So perhaps this has a little to do with the perception that Obama was given a pass. There just wasn't near as much material. But honestly, I think you are off in thinking that the media supported Obama.