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Where do we go from here? U.S. 2021 - 3 clear ideas?

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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:44 AM
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Genuine question to all of us here on ATS who are American citizens (and even those who aren’t, ideas welcome)

Where do we go from here?

It’s plainly obvious that our country, made up of “liberals” and “conservatives” or those who voted for Trump and Biden, is further apart than we have experienced as a nation in hundreds of years.

Many many people are very upset on both sides. Trust in the democratic system has eroded. Serious questions have been brought before the courts, and because they have ruled a certain way, now there is no trust in the courts by a large number of our citizens.

We have had domestic terrorism in multiple cities from participants on multiple sides, including most recently in our Capitol. The belief in conspiracy theories is extremely strong, which is fueling even more anger. People are afraid for their lives and believe their rights have been stripped from them.

By the way, this is the FBI definition of domestic terrorism: “ Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.”

No matter how you slice it, people in this country are extremely angry and distrusting. There’s a lot of hatred on both sides.

My question to you all is this: where can we actually go from here?

The country is not a simple divide of north and south. Secession does not make much sense to me personally, as it would make things very complicated geographically and economically.

Many of us live in places where we are neighbors. We might work together. But it’s become difficult to be in a place of business without hearing someone else’s rhetoric or beliefs or fears.

Many of us might have families and friends that are divided along political lines. Many of us may not, but may also be exhausted by the unending justification of why the other side is wrong?

I challenge you to give me three bullet points of practical steps that we can take moving forward to unite our country and, if not repair the damage that has been done, at the very least how can we use what we have learned to improve this country?

I’m looking for three clear ideas. Practical solutions. Things that could actually work.

I don’t have the answers obviously but I don’t think we as a nation will have any strength unless we can learn to think strategically together. And I truly mean together. I want everyone’s ideas, even if I don’t agree with them, because that’s the only way I’ll be able to understand and gain any empathy for people that I don’t agree with.

But they have to be three clear ideas for how to create real change.

Please respect everyone else’s ideas. Please please don’t take this as an opportunity to argue and put other people’s perspectives down. We all deserve to be heard and hopefully this will spark some good ideas that can be focused on in other threads.

I won’t be very active writing beyond this first post but I will be listening and I hope others do the same.


I’ll go first:

1. Read up on, and start having conversations about movement away from a two-party system. This means we all do some research on other models of democracy out there, like proportional systems and multi-party systems, and how coalitions work. This can exist within a constitution-led democratic state. What I like about some of these systems is that it forces people who really disagree to work together, to understand each other.

2. We each make personal efforts to make or maintain friendships with those who disagree with us politically. I actually really value my friendships with people on the other side of the aisle because I do learn from them, it helps me to see things from their perspective. I personally feel like being a good American means having those relationships with people who see things differently, even if in the end no one changes their mind.

3. Look into technology that can make the voting process more secure and at the same time, more transparent. Maybe more consistent across state lines, too. To me it’s interesting that voting does come down to state’s rights when it affects the whole nation. This has obviously caused a lot of anger for a lot of people. It’s 2021 so maybe there is a good, modern solution out there somewhere. Instilling more trust in the election process somehow should be a priority. As a citizen I feel that the voting mechanics are confusing and antiquated.

Okay now you go. Three clear action items.


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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:48 AM
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They're not conspiracy theories. They are conspiracy facts. The evidence is overwhelming. This election was fraudulent.

Secession is the only way forward. The SCOTUS laid this in stone when they refused to hear the Texas case.

Law-abiding states must secede in order to preserve the rights and liberties of their citizens.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: ravenshadow13
Where do we go from here?

We go to hell, in a rainbow handbasket.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

Okay, you missed part of the goal of this thread. But I’ll bite. If secession is the way forward, please elaborate on how this would logistically happen, and how this would be managed on a practical level (transportation, trade and economics)? Have you thought through that far? Because the UK and the EU just proved that this is actually quite complicated, and it would be more so for us because we have a more complicated geography and much larger history as a United nation.

I asked for three clear ideas and you gave me one vague one? I’m interested in what you have to say, so please elaborate.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: ravenshadow13
a reply to: peskyhumans

Okay, you missed part of the goal of this thread. But I’ll bite. If secession is the way forward, please elaborate on how this would logistically happen, and how this would be managed on a practical level (transportation, trade and economics)? Have you thought through that far? Because the UK and the EU just proved that this is actually quite complicated, and it would be more so for us because we have a more complicated geography.

I asked for three clear ideas and you gave me one vague one?


Texas has independent fuel, water, and power infrastructure. They also have the port of Houston, one of the largest and most trafficked ports in the world.

If Texas were to secede first, they would lay a foundation that other states could follow. Even if the east and west coast remained under the control of globalist plutocrats the free states would have access to international trade through Texas.

Texas also has a large number of military bases and would be quite capable of asserting it's independence through force, if necessary.

Once they go more would follow like dominoes.

Right here on ATS I saw a post about cutting Texas up into 5 different states. Of course the DNC wants to do that. Any state capable of being independent is a threat to the continued oppression of the Union. They want all states to be dependent on the federal government. Cutting it up would mean breaking up its resources and infrastructure.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:57 AM
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To me it sounds like a replay of the 60s - 70s.
And I was there ,



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: peskyhumans
They're not conspiracy theories. They are conspiracy facts. The evidence is overwhelming. This election was fraudulent.

Secession is the only way forward. The SCOTUS laid this in stone when they refused to hear the Texas case.

Law-abiding states must secede in order to preserve the rights and liberties of their citizens.


I totally agree.

My thread regarding secession was deleted, but I don’t see any other way forward. My values are incompatible with those of the Left and theirs don’t work for me.

China is not our friend and I don’t want to be a part of the Democrats socialist schemes. They are intent on the destruction of the Constitution that keeps us free. They are already taking a giant crap on the 1st Amendment and free speech (see big-tech censorship) and next to go will be the 2nd Amendment when the Communists take control on the 20th.

Election integrity is gone and no one on the Left gives a crap as long as they are winning. Disenfranchisement of half the country isn’t going to be workable.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

Thank you for elaborating, I appreciate your thought and willingness to brainstorm further. It’s certainly an idea and one I’ve also thought about.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:59 AM
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1. Serious election reform. No more negative ads by anyone. Truth in advertising or it doesn't get published. Eliminate electronic voting systems and extend the voting process to two days while providing enough voting centers and access to fulfill this. No exceptions. Having over 150 million voters doesn't make it possible to do in one day anymore. Mandate voter ID, provide free if necessary. Mandate signature verification.

2. Make calling elections before the final votes are tallied illegal, punishable by prison time.

3. Eliminating PACs and foreign campaign funds, setting a limit on total campaign spending that is reasonable given the cost of advertising and travel. There is too much money involved in elections today.

I could go on about the media, government officials, voter education, etc. but that's enough for now.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Thank you for your post. I asked for three clear ideas about moving forward. Your post has some other aspects of your views. Can you please also add some clear points on exactly how the process would work? Would Texans lobby their state legislature? What happens with cities like Austin? What happens in states like Virginia for example where the state is very much divided, people will not want to move, and it’s unlikely the full state will secede? Should half the state secede? Or should those who want to, move to Texas, for example?

Clear ideas would be so helpful. Thank you.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:05 AM
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Great thread. I think those are THE 3 most important changes we could make. Dont really know what to add myself.
The thing is, it's changes WE could make. Do the Powers That Shouldn't Be want those things for us? No.
It's clear to me The NWO/Great Reset WILL accomplish it's goals. They've set everything up in order for it to be so. The divide, distract, and conquer strategy they love so much has worked to a T.
Been aware of this since April and if the train was begining to roll then, it's well on its destination by now.
It's unfortunate people couldn't see they were being played and baited from both sides.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

What do you mean by that, specifically?



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: ravenshadow13

I wish my other thread hadn’t been deleted it had a lot of thoughtful responses. I would think people should have a certain amount of time to move from one of the Communist States of America to a Free State and vice versa before locking it in. I would move to avoid a liberal state and country.

Secession must be allowed. We have two groups of people that are incompatible with each other moving forward. If secession isn’t allowed to proceed peacefully then the next step would be something like we saw on the 6th.

People should not be forced to live under a regime that is anathema to their values. People deserve to be free.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: ravenshadow13
I asked for three clear ideas about moving forward.

There is only one:



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: Snarl

Glad they kicked him put. Should have been DISHONORABLE though.


Less than a year after Rapone's images drew a firestorm of vitriol and even death threats, the second lieutenant who became known as the "commie cadet" is officially out of the U.S. Army with an other-than-honorable discharge.


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OP, there are extremist on both sides. They are the loudest but in no way the majority.

Liberalism can be defeated on ideas alone. Its why they never debate ideas. They only attack and discredit. If we play that game we lose.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: ravenshadow13
I asked for three clear ideas about moving forward.

There is only one:

Indeed. This is the remedy the founding fathers recommended, but I fear we would end up fighting both a civil war AND a revolution at the same time. If that were to happen, there may be no real winner when all is said and done. If we can avoid it, we should.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: ravenshadow13
Regarding your option #1, the two parties have a stranglehold on that system and will not allow a third party to become strong enough to present a challenge to them.
I already practice #2.
As to the third option you listed, see my answer to #1.... the two parties will not let a secure voting system be put in place, as it is a threat to their power.

My idea would be viewed as anarchy by many, but I tend towards radical libertarianism.... which again would represent a threat to the firmly entrenched two party system... which is in reality a ONE party system.

As far as your requirement for three 'action items', with what we are dealing with, there is only a violent revolution would be able to change that, and I AM NOT recommending that.



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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified
I fear we would end up fighting both a civil war AND a revolution at the same time.

I've spent a lot of time discussing that in other forums ... the differences between what a conflict on US soil would look like ... what it would actually be. Those two types of conflict could exist simultaneously and would devastate the fabric of America. A foreign armed force would be needed to end it.

All one has to do is step up and look deeply into the crystal ball.



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: ravenshadow13

If you wish to see a return to the old America that builds great big wonderful things.

Then the industrialization and colonisation of low Earth orbits seem to be a viable endeavour.

After all the only way is up.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

Pish and tosh.

Show your facts?



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