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What if Russia is our only ally VS NWO?

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posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Novusordo

Originally posted by infinite
illuminati is believed to control all that walks this earth.
But if you wanted my view, middle east is the only land of the free.


Thought so.


I believe in that as well. I mean, the Middle East is the birth place of 3 of the biggest religions in the world, I'm sure God has a soft spot for the region and it's people. Makes me proud to be a Chaldean-American. I'm actually happy the U.S. is in Iraq. I plan on moving back to the birthplace of my parents in Northern Iraq (the Elqosh villiage)




posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Novusordo

Originally posted by ahhitwasntme
Russia will never be an American ally. The cold war never ended.


No such thing as allies and enemies.

They all work together behind the scenes and the illusion of enemies and allies is just that - an illusion.


Now this is laughable. If they've got so much control over the countries that they can "play" with them willy nilly, why not just merge the countries?

Because it's doubtfull there's an Illuminati, NWO, et el. That's why.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
isn't it ironic it's more or less the otherway around if the NWO really exist?

I think whats even more ironic is that the NWO scares were originally over the soviet union and a internationalist socialist state.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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I sort of follow what's happening in Russian politics and society in general, and I think it can't be an ally against anything. It's a deeply disfunctional soceity right now. Maybe it'll recover, maybe not. Instead of a unifying REAL agenda, the govt is busy consolidating it's power, the big business is busy exporting natural resources to the west, and ordinary people are busy living out miserable lives.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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WW2 was the perfect example of unlikely bed-fellows. The US and Britain both held their noses and out of necessity and they allied with Stalinist Russia against Germany. Although and uncomfortable and somewhat unpredictable alliance, it worked out pretty well considering the possibilities. Now, I, in no way consider the Cold War a good outcome of the alliance that defeated Germany, but the consequences of us not being allied with Russia would have cost considerably more lives and possibly even been cause for defeat. I believe history has shown that Roosevelt's and Churchhill's decision to throw in with the Soviets was the straw that broke the camels back in defeating the Nazi's.

As far as allying again with them against a common foe. Certainly, without too much hesitation either. Together our common foundation of strong individualism and strong nationalistic tendendies would be cause for thought and serious consideration on our common enemy's part. The nice thing about history is that it has a tendency to repeat itself.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by sharkman
WW2 was the perfect example of unlikely bed-fellows. The US and Britain both held their noses and out of necessity and they allied with Stalinist Russia against Germany. Although and uncomfortable and somewhat unpredictable alliance, it worked out pretty well considering the possibilities. Now, I, in no way consider the Cold War a good outcome of the alliance that defeated Germany, but the consequences of us not being allied with Russia would have cost considerably more lives and possibly even been cause for defeat. I believe history has shown that Roosevelt's and Churchhill's decision to throw in with the Soviets was the straw that broke the camels back in defeating the Nazi's.

As far as allying again with them against a common foe. Certainly, without too much hesitation either. Together our common foundation of strong individualism and strong nationalistic tendendies would be cause for thought and serious consideration on our common enemy's part. The nice thing about history is that it has a tendency to repeat itself.


And how does this historical fact square with what you say:


Senator Harry Truman told a reporter in June 1941: "If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help the Russians, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany and in that way let them kill as many as possible."



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 08:32 PM
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It would be interesting if russia was the only ally we had it would be odd to say the least. Luckilly for us this is not the case russia is firmly in line with whatever agenda is being played out.
Look closelly at the korean war and you will see what I mean.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 09:06 PM
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Everyone think for a minute or two about this before you post, I know I have. A NWO will be a new WORLD government, no country will be left out, because it would be a threat. When/If the NWO arrives, it will be all nations. They'll simple wait until they can gather all nations.



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 12:36 AM
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Aelita, it would seem to me that Harry Truman was a pragmatist. Let the two slug it out as much as possible and therefore reduce our potential for heavy loses doing clean-up. Makes sense to me. It should be noted that Harry was an U.S. Army officer in WW1 and so he may have had a slighty different perspective of war having been in the trenches is such a horendous time. I'm not sure of the context of this quote, so I can only conjecture.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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as far as i understand , Russia are not using chem-trails ... they objected to to chemtrails used on the American and other people due to the effect on life ..i will try and find the link to the original document and insert later..

also
Kissinger’s Secret Meeting With Putin By Mike Whitney

The US and Russia are at loggerheads on many of these issues and relations between the two countries has steadily deteriorated.

No one really knows what took place at the meetings, but judging by Kissinger’s parting remarks; things did not go smoothly. He said to one reporter, “We appreciate the time that President Putin gave us and the frank manner in which he explained his point of view.”

dandelionsalad.wordpress.com...

this is also very interesting

Vladimir Putin speaks at Munich Security Conference
www.youtube.com...

putin disses bush
www.youtube.com...


Sarkozy blasts Western media for anti-Russia bias
www.youtube.com...


let there be hope



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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I don't care from what direction force is applied to the nwo banker types. So long as it hits a nerve and leaves them no recourse.


I also believe that karma is involved, and decisions of what to do in this regard must be done with a good will. Example: rather than attack the bad guys, help the good guys.


Be a good helper for good people... it will make their job that much harder.



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Great topic, glad you brought it up. We can only contribute suggestive evidence. No one here can say who controls what. However, all I will say that the cold war was a great arms race and certainly improved mil-tech (great for NWO).

I wouldn't say any country is out of reach of the 'illuminated' ones. Perhaps a few though who aren't officially recognised countries?

I like the middle east. As you might have guessed from earlier statements, I believe they are controlled but in some places it is law of the jungle and not law of the order.

Get a new ally now! Wake up your favourite neighbour.



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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My response is I love all people Russians are proud and they have really hot tall blond volleyball players. With that said We are Americans We don't ask others to fight our battles while we hide behind our mother's Apron.

I am ready to fight and die if need be for my freedom so

# you Illuminate dirty old bastard man behind curtain pussy faggots.
Get out and fight like the scared #bag that you are.

tony



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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what if russia was the last defense against the nwo?



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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I'd say your question's answer depends upon how the Georgia conflict ends.

If this just brings about more posturing, and a build up of tensions -- then Putin and Bush are gaining power by using the bogey man from the other side -- same old Cold War routine.

If, however, Putin pulls the rug out, and the Georgia scam invasion that Karl Rove cooked up (It appears he met with their leader about a month ago and we've been building for this), and it results in McCain looking bad, there is hope.

I'm not so sure about Obama -- but I KNOW McCain is no good.

It is so hard to tell. But what you DO KNOW, is that Bush is with whomever is conspiring against us. I'd say it might more correctly be considered the results of "Operation Paperclip." And that those people are teaming up with AIPAC has made me re-evaluate a lot of things, mainly what I think I know about the last 100 years of history.

I look at our elites this way; Locusts. As Prescott Bush made bank on the WW II, and was in the safe haven of America as he helped funds relocate. Now the Bush family has moved funds to Dubai, and they do nothing but help the Saudis, as we paper over our economy and the smart money leaves. So the Locusts will set up shop in the Middle East, and America will be the next fall guy -- because our Middle Class was getting too powerful and started believing the lie about Freedom and Democracy.

Google Siebel Edmunds. That story will tell you that we are indeed, in a dire straight.

>> The point I'm making is -- what choice do we have? We should at least embrace, every world leader who appears to appose BushCo, because the alternative is that we are already so screwed there is no hope.

AS the banks fail, just remember that there was a lot of foreknowledge of these "accidents" in the Bankruptcy Reform Act. Take a look at this website for some good insight in that regard; market-ticker.denninger.net...

Things could be fixed. Ironically, by driving down home prices. As Denniger puts it so well "it has all been a Ponzi scheme." We are running out of greater fools to buy enough to keep it going. Will things be fixed, or will Bernanke just throw money at things like Fannie Mae, which will collapse with or without his help? What he does with taxpayer money, should be all the evidence you need to decide if this isn't designed to torch our economy.



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Boxrocker360
My response is I love all people Russians are proud and they have really hot tall blond volleyball players. With that said We are Americans We don't ask others to fight our battles while we hide behind our mother's Apron.

I am ready to fight and die if need be for my freedom so

# you Illuminate dirty old bastard man behind curtain pussy faggots.
Get out and fight like the scared #bag that you are.

tony


Dude, you won't know what is being done to you. If you haven't known the past 30 years, who was screwing you -- how are you going to know where to point your rage now?

People serving this downfall of the US don't even know it. It's all of us, who want something for nothing, who sacrifice our common sense and ethics to get ahead. We are all a part of it in one way or another. But you have to find who is pulling the strings.

And that isn't easy. But you should see them on TV, promoting Bear Sterns stock before it falls. You know they are people making people calling the government out on crimes and fraud look like fools.

But nobody is going to come at you with a tank. Your lights will go off one day because you won't have the money. Deliveries will arrive later and later at the grocery store. Things will just unwind, unravel, and there will be a thousand idiots looking for an ethnic person to blame -- and someone handing out free guns. You won't find butter -- but bullets will be cheap.

Of course we need help. But what we need most is justice. We need our court systems to just go back to doing their jobs. All these people have committed provable crimes. Everything beyond investigations and prosecutions is a distraction. If Putin can hire lawyers, or at least get his spies to tape audio, of these mother#ers planning to rip us off with Exxon or something -- then that would be a huge help.

Really, a microphone in the right place at the right time will be a million times more useful than any gun.

The Carlysle Group sells guns -- they aren't afraid of them.



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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I agree with few post on here. The middle east to me kinda came up from nowhere on the scene and the wealth there is just ridiculous. I am no middle eastern historian but didnt most of the wealth start coming in around 60's, and they just ran the oil/etc wave to the top and the illuminati wanted them to play by the rules and the Middle Eastern players were not gonna play the game and thats why we created the whole 9/11 thing and invaded iraq to show the others "look at what happens when you dont play with us".... my thoughts.



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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If anything that is against the NWO, I would gladly support. That would include Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, North Korea, China, Russia so far. So basically anything that goes against the U.S's interests (from the higher power.)

We are so far doing a good job to junk the Real ID, National ID card out. The thing we need the most is to keep our borders, preventing us to be an alliance. If there was no border, I would like to help to make a border line. *brings out the D11 Bulldozer*



posted on Aug, 19 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by dominic77
In Revelation, the "Eagles Wings will be plucked." The United States just as every great empire will fall to its knees and will have no choice but to become part of the NWO. We as Americans don't think that we can be taken, but we will soon see. We are becoming enemies of people all over the world. We are in trouble.


While I do not disagree with your hypothesis AT ALL, you are incorrect about what the Book of Revelation actually states. Here are the only two verses in the Book Of Revelation that contain the word "eagle"


Revelation 4:7 (King James Version) And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Revelation 12:14 (King James Version) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.



posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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The American GOVERNMENT is a major part of the NWO, I think. So, it could be American freedom fighters allying with Russia and the Middle East to fight the NWO. What a strange alliance that would be.




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