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posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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Hi, I have an incy problem. I don't know what ephedrine does. I tried looking it up and all I found was the properties. They are C10H15NO (Carbon 10, Hyrdrogen 15, Nitrogen, Oxygen) and i don't know how the properties counter act with any other drug or medication. If some one knows anything about it, please give me some information. My term paper would really appriciate it. ^_^




posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Not making meth are you?

It is a kind of speed that you cant buy in some states.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Search engines are recommended:

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"In the United States, ephedra and ephedrine are sold in health food stores under a variety of brand names. Ephedrine is widely used for weight loss, as an energy booster, and to enhance athletic performance. These products often contain other stimulants, such as caffeine, which may have synergistic effects and increase the potential for adverse effects. Ephedra is often touted as the "herbal fen-phen." "

from here

Good luck with the term paper!



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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Ephedrine is an amphetamine (an upper) and is one of the major constituents of legally available herbal dietary supplements.

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hope this helps.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:57 PM
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It has been banned. You can no longer buy it over the counter. It is responsible for causing strokes and heart attacks. It was in products like Ripped Fuel and most diet pills.

There are other names for it like Mauhang and a few more I don't recall.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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It is still found in asthma inhalers, because ephedrine is a very potent bronchodilator.

I think ephedrine sucks for recreational purposes, it has a most annoying unclean spiky buzz compaired to meth.

It's bronchodilating (more air), thermogenic properties and "edgy" mindset DOES make for an excellent aerobic tool.

I used to do ephedrine as part of a ECA stack during cutting up phase, until I read all those stories of well trained sporticons floored by ephedra related heartstrokes / brainstrokes.


[edit on 18-3-2005 by Silenus]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Ephedrine is the active constituent from the Ma Huang plant. It is usually included @ 750mg standardized to 8% of the total ingredients. It is used as described by other posters here...in addition it is misused as an 'alternative' party drug.

It is not now available in ANY health food stores in the US or UK as it has been banned by Legislators due to its misuse in sports and society in general plus there have been several known deaths linked to the use of Ephedrine based products.

I myself have been legitimately selling the product for over six years through my store and have been taking it for 5 years. It raises your heart rate very considerably and also your core body temperature: you sweat profusely and have huge amounts of excess energy. If it is taken as the AST version: EPH833, it is just in its pure form of Ephedrine; no Caffeine to give you the shakes!

This stuff works, and if used responsibly, suppresses hunger and aids as a long-term weight loss/stabilising aid.

Unfortunately too many div-brains saw it as a cheap alternative to Speed and I'm not sure, perhaps someone will correct me, is Ephedrine not used in the manufacture of Krank or some other cooked drug?

.....which would explain why its really been banned


..check this: www.mca.gov.uk...

...its a long list...See Regina v Bernard Long..not all relevant...but worth the read for all the Viagra copying going on


[edit on 18/3/05 by hardbodyactiv]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by hardbodyactiv

Unfortunately too many div-brains saw it as a cheap alternative to Speed and I'm not sure, perhaps someone will correct me, is Ephedrine not used in the manufacture of Krank or some other cooked drug?



The answer to that is yes, it can be isolated and turned into street crank.



Ephedrine is a powerful amphetamine-like, stimulant drug that affects the cardiovascular system and central nervous system. It is an ingredient in dietary supplements sold for the purposes of energy-boosting and weight loss. The only over-the-counter uses of ephedrine currently approved as drugs by the FDA are for treatment of mild asthma, nasal decongestion, hay fever, and hemorrhoids. In bulk quantities, ephedrine can be separated from other compounds and used as an ingredient in the manufacture of methamphetamine, an illegal drug also known as "crank." Adverse events associated with ephedrine use include heart attacks, strokes, elevated blood pressure, irregular heartbeats, seizures, hallucinations, and deaths. Long term side effects of ephedrine use are unknown. The FDA received reports of at least 28 ephedrine-associated deaths nationally between 1991 and 1997.


www.law.uh.edu...



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 01:13 PM
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Ephedrine is not an amphetamine. Amphetamine-like ...yes. It is the base chemical used to make Methamphetamine or "crank". It is a sympathomimetic drug and central nervous system stimulant It is most certainly available over the counter in the US as ephedrine hcl(the man made synthetic version). Ma hung is the herbal counterpart of ephedrine, called ephedra, and has in fact been banned unless you get a permit as a chinese herbalist.

It is used in the ECA(Ephedrine, Caffeine, aspirin) stack mentioned as probably the most potent fat burning(lipolytic) stack on the planet. It can be used for very long periods of time for this purpose without attenuation to the lipolytic properties.

It is not dangerous at prescribed or directed dosages unless you have a pre-existing condition. Overdoses can be very unpleasant.

Its mehtod of action is actually a bit complex to just rattle off but what it does is stimulates release of norepinephrine (noradrenaline)



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 08:07 PM
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It's good for respitory infections and coughs and stuff. clears out ur throat chakra. I know a hippy crystal/ herb store that still sells the herb and am gonna go check it out as I've got a bad cough.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by CHANGELING
Ephedrine is not an amphetamine. Amphetamine-like ...yes. It is the base chemical used to make Methamphetamine or "crank". It is a sympathomimetic drug and central nervous system stimulant It is most certainly available over the counter in the US as ephedrine hcl(the man made synthetic version). Ma hung is the herbal counterpart of ephedrine, called ephedra, and has in fact been banned unless you get a permit as a chinese herbalist.

It is used in the ECA(Ephedrine, Caffeine, aspirin) stack mentioned as probably the most potent fat burning(lipolytic) stack on the planet. It can be used for very long periods of time for this purpose without attenuation to the lipolytic properties.

It is not dangerous at prescribed or directed dosages unless you have a pre-existing condition. Overdoses can be very unpleasant.

Its mehtod of action is actually a bit complex to just rattle off but what it does is stimulates release of norepinephrine (noradrenaline)


finally, i was hoping someone on this thread would present some real information.

btw, ephedrine HCL is not banned only ephedra is. Ephedrine HCL is still classified as an Expectorant Bronchodilator and it cannot be banned.

the idiots who die from ephedra and ephedrine based products had preexisting heart conditions to begin with. The product should of never been taken off the shelves.
Pretty soon they'll end up banning Multivitamins

[edit on 22-3-2005 by enrage]



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by CHANGELING
It is most certainly available over the counter in the US as ephedrine hcl(the man made synthetic version).


Hi Changeling...

not challenging you dude..but what products still show their consituents listed with 'Ephedrine' included.

I have used the following in the past, none of which now list Ephedrine: Thermogen by GEN; EPH833 by AST and probably the most famous, due to its name being on a huge tanker that exploded in Terminator3: Xenadrine by Cytodyne.

These products have either been withdrawn from sale here in the UK due to Ephedrine becoming a banned substance, or in the case of Xenadrine, now has Synephrine, synthetic ephedrine, to replace the Ma Huang derivative. Obviously this product is nothing like as effective and I will not sell it on the basis that it is not a matching substitute for original Xenadrine.

I am coming to Fla in 3 days; if there are still products available in GNC or other mall stores that have Ephedrine, not Synephrine in them, can you please advise so I can buy some.


Thanks guy

Peace Out



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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I don’t believe Ephedra is "banned" everywhere... I can go into any NJ Exxon and they have huge displays of it on the counter. But anyway...

One thing that needs to said about the deaths/problems regarding ephedra... if I remember correctly, almost all cases were a direct result of taking ephedra during intense exercise. What happens, is the ephedra constricts the capillaries and blood vessels causing the heart to pump faster and work harder. Take that and add an INTENSE work out, forcing the heart work even harder... recipe for disaster. I'm sure overdosing plays a role too in some cases.


This is how Korey Stringer of the Minnesota Vikings died. Link

Peace



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 09:02 AM
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Ephedrine is currently 'banned' in Australia. It's only available through hospital pharmacy.
In medicine Ephedrine has and is used in small dosage(s) to enable patients who have been prostrate for a period of time to adjust their blood pressure, in order to be able to sit up without fainting.

The dosage is in most cases is short, as the patient recuperates and their own cardiovascular system is restored.

Australian Federal Police link...
Ephedrine Seizure

Sanc'.
edit:grammar

[edit on 23-3-2005 by sanctum]



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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I tried that stuff once and all it did was give me the jitters really bad and made me feel like dirt was stuck to my skin it was the yuckiest feeling I ever had.

I thought it would help with conjestion however it just gave me bad side effects to go along with the problem



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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The only Ephedrine you can buy now comes with Guanefesian (sp?) and it's sold as an asthma or chest congestion medication, although it's definately abused. Thats how they sell it in places like Exxon... However some places even lock it up now. It can no longer be sold for weight loss even though it works. The ECA stack was a popular weight loss stack.. Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin.

Ephedrine is also like one chemical bond away from actual amphetamine.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by njspeed
The only Ephedrine you can buy now comes with Guanefesian (sp?) and it's sold as an asthma or chest congestion medication, although it's definately abused. Thats how they sell it in places like Exxon... However some places even lock it up now. It can no longer be sold for weight loss even though it works. The ECA stack was a popular weight loss stack.. Ephedrine Caffeine Aspirin.

Ephedrine is also like one chemical bond away from actual amphetamine.



Just today I was in Exxon getting an "energy drink".... and their counter is littered with ephedra displays and products (ie stackers, xendrine, yellow jacket..) all with ephedra in them. I assume some of the inventory is left over from before they removed ephedra from the those products. But there is also PURE Ephedra/ Mu Hang (and labeled as such) on display. I used to take ephedra so i'm pretty familar with it. This is why I wasnt so sure if it was illegal/banned because I see it all over.

Funny thing is, this particular exxon is across the street from a police station and i see cops in there getting coffee all the time. There is no way they can miss this display. So how knows whats up...

Peace





posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Products such as Vasopro, Bronkaid and a few others can still be purchased and contain ephedrine and an expectorant(prevents the synthesis of methamphentamine or makes it very difficult). Pure ephedrine hcl can be purchased in the US from one outlet. dne-inc.com. Bolt is the manufacturer. Other then that you need a special permit fro the DEA to import or possess quantities larger then 10g.

The products seen in roadside quickmarts or gas stations most likely contain ephedrine and an expectorant and not the actual ephedra.

The ECA stack is constructed that way to prevent the metabolism of the ephedrine in-vivo. The Caffeine prevents the release of prostaglandins that the noripinephrine actually stimulates. prostagalndins will destroy the ephedrine. Aspirin does a similar job but through a different mechanism. Bsically it prolongs the efficacy of the ephedrine enabling you to drop the fat and using less ephedrine. Ratio of ephedrine to caffeine is 10:1 to elicit the fat "burning". Aspirin is added at 325mgs per dosing. Caffeine in coffee does not produce the same results as using say Vivarin or No Doz.

75 - 150 mgs a day is what I would call a max dose.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Seems like you have pretty good insight on this, however, i have read the ingrediants on two of what i am calling "pure ephedra" bottles they sell.. and it says plain as day. "MuHang and Ephedra" not even ephedrine....

So I can't imagine how they are getting away with selling it.. and it's not just this one exxon... it's anyone i frequent. They dont even hide it.

peace



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