The Democrats never actually intended to win the election ...

I suspected this even before the election. Listening to the blatant stupidity that has been allowed to happen - missing chains of custody, missing hardware, inability to determine which ballots have been counted and which have not, etc., etc., etc. - I am even more certain of it now.

I don't think that they ever intended to win. This would explain why they threw such a half-ass candidate with a record of two loses in presidential races, a history of plagiarism and outright lying, no kind of legislative legacy, and a trail of corruption in dealings with foreign powers into this race. He was expendable. He was nothing more than cannon fodder. I think that they saw that they could not win, so they worked up another strategy.

For months they were essentially announcing their intentions to cheat this election. The unsolicited mail-in ballots were biggest indication. Why else would they open themselves up to accusations of impropriety on that level? Everyone who asked me if I thought that Trump would concede the election got the same answer from me: The plan was to back him into a corner where he would be morally and ethically obligated to contest the cheating, then they'd call it narcissism and totalitarianism. This is what they do, what they've done all along. It's called gaslighting. They do something then quickly blame it on the other side. Example: Jao Bai Den committed a clear quid pro quo with the president of the Ukraine, confessed to it publicly, laughed about it, then they accused Donald Trump of that same crime.

In short, I am saying that they, for all intents and purposes, threw the election and blatantly cheated for the whole world to see. The trick up their sleeve is that their army of useless, vomit regurgitating pseudo-journalists and brain-dead foot soldiers will refuse to see what is so blatantly obvious and will be proven. So, what is the result?

Their aim is two-fold:

1. They want to destroy, as far as possible, any confidence in the U.S. political system. Even if the Trump case regarding election fraud is proven to be 100% true, there are enough ... uh ... individuals who will refuse to believe it and will claim to be marginalized and disenfranchised. This will create tension and loss of confidence within the system.

2. They have an army of foot soldiers who are primed and ready to reek violence on society. They have proven themselves ready and willing. I'd go so far as to say that the riots over the summer were in reality nothing more than dressed rehearsals for what they will do once these claims are proven and the media's stupid and treasonous coronation of their messiah apparent is reversed.

Once this all happens, the claims that the President is a narcissistic dictator who stole the election will go wild. The violence will escalate. When that happens, he will have to take massive military-like action to quell it, then they'll say that he is, again, being a dictator and that his actions are illegal, discounting the violence and loss of civil order just like they did this summer.

Yes, they are that disingenuous.

This is how I've seen things for months, and I see it more clearly now than ever before. I have, many times, cited this verse from the book of Revelation, chapter 9, verse 11 at the end of a comment.

They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.

I'm not trying to claim some crazy "end-times" thing. It's the principle I'm getting at. The words Abaddon and Apollyon refer to chaos and destruction. There is an element in humanity that actually serves chaos and destruction as gods. These are the purposes and the ends that they serve and seek. This is what we're dealing with here; people for whom the end of their activity and effort is chaos and destruction. They don't have any vision beyond the destruction, but more destruction.

The left has what is literally an army of foot soldiers that are primed and ready to reek chaos on the nation at every level. I do believe that this is their plan, their goal, their end game. They are pushing a socio-political scorched-earth or Mutually Assured Destruction strategy.
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I agree it is a real disgrace what the
corrupt Democrats and their machine
did to us.

I believe martial law will have to be
declared because we cannot let a foreign
agent be president.

a reply to: incoserv

originally posted by: ThatDidHappen
I agree it is a real disgrace what the
corrupt Democrats and their machine
did to us.

I believe marshal law will have to be
declared because we cannot let a foreign
agent be president.

a reply to: incoserv

I think that the system will keep the foreign agent from being president, not martial law; that's not how our system works.

The martial law will be necessary in order to control the violent reaction that they will whip their puppets into once the truth is made clear.

Except...they did win.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
Except...they did win.

By fraud yes, but that is a false victory as you will soon have to live with.

a reply to: incoserv

It became pretty obvious when bernie sanders stepped down. He might have had some extreme crazy ideas and plans, but unlike Biden, offered some change from the status quo, isn't a visible pedophile with multiple pictures of him sniffing and touching little girls and as far as i know, isn't a systemic racist.

He basically seemed to embody and would actually try and put through some of the good ideas of the left. At least would have been something different and had a smidgen of charisma, like at least more than biden and had some popularity.

Out of nowhere, for no reason, during the primaries, he steps down. Then Biden, despite being a fairly deplorable individual on many levels, somehow wins without a campaign.

Despite again, being worse than trump, in many areas, even in his cabinet appointments, and trump's were pretty bad, his history of racism, his overtly corporate friendly attitude and blatant warmongering.

He may not run his mouth like trump, but holy # the things that man wants to do are terrifying.

I don't get it. I honestly don't. The whole thing really just leaves me scratching my head.

Well no...honestly, it makes it more obvious than ever america's election was one gigantic show and still is.

The only winner in this election is corporate america....well not even...the corporate globalists.

a reply to: incoserv

It's becoming more and more clear right? If the fix is so blantant, you KNOW there was counter measures in play well before the election. What I'm trying to say is all this stuff just didn't happen on Nov 3.

An end result of civil war/chaos is all too convenient. It's amazing to watch it play out in real time.

Lol of course we have some still running on about "winning" lmao GROW UP GROW A BRAIN HAVING A COMPLETE BANANA REPUBLIC ISN'T WINNING

originally posted by: Gnawledge
Except...they did win.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, the EC hasn't done their job yet.

I think everything is being orchestrated on both sides, as one big opera to bring forth a new world order. They've ramped up the diversionary tactics to a fevered pitch, to keep the goings on in the background from getting noticed.

For a lot of years we've gone from one crisis to the next, stirring a pot of stew, adding ingredients. All the while, the agenda moves forward. These same crises arrive and disappear as if they never existed, because they serve a purpose, moving forward the plan that has been in place for a long time.

In my mind, it doesn't matter whether Trump wins or loses. It doesn't matter whether Biden wins or loses. Look at the Bush years vs the Obama years. What truly changed except Obamacare and some executive orders? A lot of rhetoric, to stir the pot, that's about it. Trump has been enacting a lot of change, because that's what the people expect. It's all being orchestrated.

I used to be heavily invested in political outcomes, as a conservative, but I realized the sham that is both sides. While the politics are played out, people are manipulated on both sides to do the bidding of their leaders.

What's the ultimate plan? Control. New world order. A great reset. The common good.

Now to jump to my Christian view. I believe that either outcome, Trump or Biden, could bring about the beast system that takes us through the great tribulation.

At first glance, Biden would be the better pick, but I wouldn't put it past them to use Trump to "triumph" over corruption (drain the swamp) to prove that we need a religious power to calm the storm. Maybe that's the plan all along.

On the flip side, Biden is aligning with the Pope already, to bring about that "common good" plan and has already championed the very causes that will usher in control, using the virus and the climate as excuses for the need for a reset.

I see two sides of the same coin here. The beast system can be implemented by either. There's no safe option. The plan moves forward regardless.

The people who are invested in various causes on both sides are the ones that ultimately get played and tossed aside when their usefulness runs out.

This planet is like a Thanksgiving turkey, it's just about done. The temperature detector is about to pop (God's wrath).

I'm not invested in either side. Rather, I'm invested in going home with Jesus.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
Except...they did win.

Did you even read the OP?

Or did you not comprehend it?

Here is the Lumenari Condensed version....

Democrats knew that they could not win this election.

So they committed so much voter fraud that it HAD to called into question by Trump.

They get caught, Trump ends up winning...

In response, the brownshirts of the Democratic party (BLM/Antifa/etc) burn down everything.

To restore order Trump has to declare Martial Law.

The Democrats response will be to say that he is an actual Dictator.

And THERE is the small chance that the Democratic Party will keep their power.

They are quite willing to burn down America, cause untold billions in damage, a whole lot of deaths to get the far left side of their party in power.

Make the problem, make the solution.

I have thought the exact same thing for months.

It is the only way to explain why they chose Biden... possibly the most damaged Presidential candidate in history.

They did not want to win 2020.

Nope... they are instead reaching for that brass ring called "socialism" and hoping to usher it in another way.

Because there is no way in hell they can sell the idea and have enough people to vote for economic slavery.

originally posted by: Freth
I think everything is being orchestrated on both sides, as one big opera to bring forth a new world order. They've ramped up the diversionary tactics to a fevered pitch, to keep the goings on in the background from getting noticed.

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In my mind, it doesn't matter whether Trump wins or loses. It doesn't matter whether Biden wins or loses. Look at the Bush years vs the Obama years.

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What's the ultimate plan? Control. New world order. A great reset. The common good.

Now to jump to my Christian view. I believe that either outcome, Trump or Biden, could bring about the beast system that takes us through the great tribulation.
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I see two sides of the same coin here. The beast system can be implemented by either. There's no safe option.
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I'm not invested in either side. Rather, I'm invested in going home with Jesus.

I'm largely with you. Not sure that a Trump victory will, in the long run, bring about any difference.

Ultimately, this cosmos is headed toward an ultimate cosmic conflict between good and evil. This is necessary and it will not be pretty. People like you and like to say, "Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus," but I've been thinking lately that we don't really understand what we are asking. (Matthew 24 & 25)

a reply to: Lumenari

WOW!

You said it better than I did. You get it. Thanks!

I thought the Democrats threw a hail Mary pass too... except they won.

I figured they'd try to create as much chaos during the election to delegitimize Trumps win. Remember, it was Hillary who came out telling Joe Biden not to concede under any circumstances. Then they were trying to overload the system loosening absentee / mail in ballot vote requirements.

It is either they didn't think they'd win, but they make it hard for Trump to claim a mandate OR they knew they could control the vote counts.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Lumenari

WOW!

You said it better than I did. You get it. Thanks!

Sorry for the condensed version...

But again I have been thinking that for months.

There is no other rational explanation for Joe Biden winning the Primary.

Much less his pick as VP.

Or the actual election.

You are spot on and thank you for the OP.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
Except...they did win.

Except...no they didn't.

Nobody has won this election until the electors cast their votes.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I thought the Democrats threw a hail Mary pass too... except they won.

But they haven't "won" anything yet.

They are playing a longer game.

Which Progressives are quite used to.

A Trump win right now is actually what they want.

Thus the scenario laid down by incoserv.

Now, this is the ATS I know and love...

I understand the gist of OP's theory and even at its baser levels, it makes a certain amount of sense. For the higher up's in the DNC much easier to maintain their positions and power as the opposition, once they are in true leadership positions even with the MSM shield it's hard to hide failures. The public will be less forgiving with the COVID question hanging over everyone's head for another year much less 4. There's a reason there is usually a high turnover in the midterm elections.

originally posted by: Gnawledge
Except...they did win.

I have never in my life believed that fraud was a major consideration in all but the most local contests although it could be a danger.

What I saw with my own eyes on election night (numbers shifting 20,000 from one candidate to another in an eyeblink, more than once) convinced me that while you may end up with Biden in the Oval Office, he is not the legitimate president, and I will never consider him such.

Joe was a throwaway before Covid.

When the cheaters saw it was mail in ballots for all.

They backed into a win.

We now have a felon President and everyone knows it.

a reply to: incoserv
I think it is a stretch, they could have justified scorched earth if they had lost, especially if it was a landslide. Accuse Trump of fraud and send out a call to action.

Occam's razor and stuff.