Study finds mouthwash kills Corona virus in 30 seconds.

First off I must point out that this has not been peer reviewed yet and is an in-vitro study but it shows very promising results so far.

A study by Cardiff University has found that mouth-wash containing at least 0.07 per cent cetypyridinium chloride (CPC) is highly effective at killng Corona virus and may be recommended for daily use as a cheap, highly effective preventative to avoid catching and massively speed up recovery of people infected with it.

It has recieved widespread coverage in the news today, however these should be taken with a swimming pool sized pinch of salt as I used to work in Uniiversity press offices writing press releases on science subjects and they have to be highly dumbed down and made to appear more exciting and 'sexed up' than reality to get good press and translate the findings to journalists who generally have expertise in language and no knowlege of Science so just copy and paste the press release.

Cardiff Uni have an amazing science department but I used to co-operate and write the press releases them in joint studies and can confirm the 'facts' are embelished and get lost in translation trying to get journalists from UK MSM to comprehend it and twisting their arm, convincing them of its news worthyness so it makes it to print.

PR is called the 'dark arts' for a good reason as its sole reason for existence is to distort the truth, cover up any wrongdoings and actively spy on journalists and academics to get a 'heads up' and plan a rebutal or response before their work goes to print.

The biggest cover-ups I was involved in was a proffesor on sabatical who had left plutonium in a standard Kilner jar on his desk and some Army dept did a 4am raid in full hazmat gear in a City centre without anyone seeing or suspecting anything. Another was forensic students had a 'house of horrors' exam where they had to investigate a mock murder scence. A local had seen people carrying a mock cadaver into the house and called the police to report a murder. As the proffesors had forgoten to let police know about the exam, armed police showed up and did a raid on the students. Thankfully no one was hurt and police quickly realised it was a test but I had to persuade everyone involved to keep quiet about it as it'd be national news.

Anyway afer that insight, here's some UK MSM links about the study:
SKY
Indy
BBC
Telegraph


I believe this is the paper in question: Cardiff Study I'm not 100% but it fits all criteria described in the articles. The ommision of links to the paper in news articles may be a hint that the paper isn't very reliable but I'm guessing there.

The difficulty with the ext stage of study is the company Dentyl who make mouthwash containing the key ingredients is funding the next stage of study so there is potential for the outcome to be skewed in their favour. They provided information to Cardiff Uni for this study but were not involved in any funding. They're highly likely to have only given the data that promotes their mouthwash and hidden the data that questions its efficacy.

I'll try and post any rebutals or disections of the paper by highly respected scientists who specialise in combating PR and media distortions of science, I've worked with and leaked data to quite a few and helped design a weaponised tool to combat distortion of data by inverting the processes used in science PR and journalism.

Feel free to tear it apart. It's nowhere near proof but very promising if the results are seen in the next trial. I don't recommend switchin just yet but from the paper it seems a highly effective way to combat corona, flu and other viruses that start off in the throat/saliva glands.

a reply to: bastion

I just read this on the local rag.

We've been told you can contract the virus through eyes, nose and mouth.

Are we expected to snort and eyerdop the suff as well? (/sarcasm)

www.walesonline.co.uk...

a reply to: Cymru

Are we expected to snort and eyerdop the suff as well?

How else do you use mouthwash? ...weirdo

a reply to: bastion

do you inject it, or just rinse your mouth with it?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: bastion

do you inject it, or just rinse your mouth with it?

You gargle it all day, with a mask on.

originally posted by: network dude
do you inject it, or just rinse your mouth with it?

Duh, no, you fill your inhaler with it and breath it in.

originally posted by: Cymru
a reply to: bastion

I just read this on the local rag.

We've been told you can contract the virus through eyes, nose and mouth.

Are we expected to snort and eyerdop the suff as well?

(/sarcasm)

www.walesonline.co.uk...

Local news generally has far better coverage as they only survive on reporting actual facts otherwise locals will see through them and they'd lose all credibility and sales. Journalists take the time to phone up, do in person interview the people overseeing the study and send photographers to capture the event, though occasionally they get the University to do all that and email it over if they're busy.

I imagine eye balling it would be pretty interesting and send you to destination #ed with the alcohol content.

originally posted by: network dude



a reply to: bastion

do you inject it, or just rinse your mouth with it?

The paper says rinse your mouth, it is mouthwash after all.

Any chance the thread can be about the subject in question instead of politicising it into yet another Trump thread?

It's a major development and cheap, non-invasive preventative and treatment that a lot of people already use every day and could make life return to nonmal and massively reduce deaths if it holds up.

It's an important topis. I'd rather people actually read the paper with a critical approach and discuss the science than the thread be the billionth Trump/US centric topic in the Mud Pit.

a reply to: bastion

Too bad your post immediately attracted some of ATS top trolls.

I use mouthwash every morning, perhaps that has kept me corona free being the "essential" worker I am.

a reply to: bastion

Uh-oh, there's lots of people who aren't brushing and washing out their mouths.

Nothing to it. Just talk.

Now I'm on my way to the store to buy up all the mouthwash. I still have plenty of storage space in my garage next to the mountain of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

When the 'rona really kicks in, I'm gonna be a King!

originally posted by: jjkenobi
a reply to: bastion

Too bad your post immediately attracted some of ATS top trolls.

Hey!! I resemble that remark and I won’t tolerate it! You, sir or ma’am, have tarnished my feelings. To the gulag!

Trump “I hear injecting mouthwash can cure the virus”

a reply to: bastion

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. And I'm sure it isn't a surprise to those already familiar with clinical studies showing the antiseptic qualities of mouthwash in general. It stands to reason that any mouthwash that can "kill the germs that cause bad breath, plaque and gingivitis" can and will kill most germs of any/all kinds -- viral, bacterial, fungal, etc.

It's been mindboggling to watch medical professionals play deaf, dumb and blind -- as if we know nothing about viruses in general and the coronavirus in particular, and expecting/assuming Covid-19 breaks every rule... it doesn't.

We all would be better off if the public had been educated and encouraged to take reasonable and practical precautions for known risks for ourselves to strengthen and fortify our bodies to fight the virus naturally. Personal empowerment will always win over government one-size-fits-all tyranny.

a reply to: bastion

Just having a little fun and offering a pre-emptive shut down of some low info claiming Trump said to inject this, as they do with other things.

Corona is largely a joke now anyways. Sure it's a real virus, and sure it makes people sick, so does the Flu, and we haven't ever closed the world over it.

Good hygiene helps greatly in not getting sick. So does hiding in your home forever. But there doesn't seem to be a big future in hiding yourself away until all sickness has been eradicated. So it would seem, going about life as if things weren't about to reign instant death on the public, is a perfectly acceptable way to go about this.

wash your hands, rinse your mouth, use a nettie pot for your nose. All good bits of advice during flu season.

I don't see the value of this discovery, it's a surface desinfectant. There are many of them. How does that help with an airborne virus?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Trump “I hear injecting mouthwash can cure the virus”

You just couldn't refrain from doing this in a non-political forum, could you?

I read about the mouthwash thing several weeks ago, nothing came of it then but who knows?

originally posted by: Jubei42
I don't see the value of this discovery, it's a surface desinfectant. There are many of them. How does that help with an airborne virus?

If you gargle it all day, everyday, you won’t breath in the virus.

Pretty simple stuff here people. You don’t hear of any fish getting the virus do you?

a reply to: bastion

I’m calling BS, simply because millions of people already use and have been using mouthwash. And they are just now hitting on this idea? Not to mention the alcohol content in the anti-bacterial hand-sanitizer people have been slathering all over themselves since this began (and humorously, people don’t realize it’s anti-BACTERIAL hand sanitizer, not anti-viral). The alcohol content in that can’t kill the virus, but it does in the mouthwash?

Sounds very much like a business operation, especially since it is the mouthwash company who did the study. And there’s no guarantee that they didn’t provide funding for the study; they could have funneled it through another entity.

How stupid are we?

originally posted by: Jubei42
I don't see the value of this discovery, it's a surface desinfectant. There are many of them. How does that help with an airborne virus?

The paper details the mechanisms of covid infection and concentration in the saliva glands and throat if infection occures.

Emerging studies increasingly demonstrate the importance of the throat and salivary glands as sites
of virus replication and transmission in early COVID-19 disease. SARS-CoV-2 is an enveloped virus,
characterised by an outer lipid membrane derived from the host cell from which it buds.

While, it is highly sensitive to agents that disrupt lipid bio-membranes, there has been no discussion about
the potential role of oral rinsing in preventing transmission. Here, we review known mechanisms of
viral lipid membrane disruption by widely available dental mouthwash components that include
ethanol, chlorhexidine, cetylpyridinium chloride, hydrogen peroxide and povidone-iodine. We also
assess existing formulations for their potential ability to disrupt the SARS-CoV-2 lipid envelope,
based on their concentrations of these agents, and conclude that several deserve clinical evaluation.
....
It is becoming increasingly recognised that the throat is a major site of replication and shedding of
virus in COVID-19 illness, and that viral load is important(25). Throat and sputum are abundant in
particles, which peak 5-6 days after symptom onset, and decline thereafter(26, 27).

Viral load
correlates with older age(27), and a study of 76 patients in Nanchang, China, showed that those
with severe SARS-CoV-2 tend to have higher viral load and longer virus-shedding period than those
with mild disease(28). Similarly, viral load was linked with lung disease severity in a study of 12
patients with pneumonia(29). Many asymptomatic individuals have modest levels of detectable
viral RNA in their oropharynx for at least 5 days, which is similar to individuals with clinical
symptoms(30). Data from GTEX gene expression data indicates that ACE2 (a key receptor for COVID19) expression is higher in salivary glands than lungs, suggesting that the these could be a major
source of new viral particles(31).

It's good to be sceptial. If the researh does hold up in further study there's potential application as a highly effective, readilly available method of combating it.

Studies have shown the majority of people are unwilling to be vaccinated, I include myself in that group; I'm not anti-vax by any means but I'd rather wait a couple of years and see any long term effects and judge how effective it is before cconsidering having it.

In my POV gargling twice a day is far less invasive to life than having to wear masks or be in lockdown. I highly doubt any government would seitch to recommeding that and lifting the current restrictions but it is a glipse of hope.

Curently I'm on the fence about it, it's not my area of expertise and can't see any actual maths in the paper. It does mention using it for 10 mins which be annoying to use.

It's apparently given to cancer patients to prevent any enveloped virus; I wasn't aware of that but have a relative who is a senior nurse and just finished chemo so will ask her how long she had to use it to see how practical it is.

a reply to: KansasGirl

You're acting like the entire USA has had COVID. Reality is only 10 million, in a country of 330 million. So 320 million people have not contracted it. Mouthwash could very well help mitigate it. Hand washing (soap or hand sanitizer) is another big reason. Could be a lot of other reasons we aren't aware of yet.