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F-22 - Cobra Maneuver

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posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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I have information from probably the most reliable source regarding if the F-22 can perform the Cobra Maneuver. Its said that the F-22 can do it very easily.


Right now, Iam Pending the rights to post the information given to me. If all goes good, I can post information about the Cobra Manuever, given by a F-22 Chief Test Pilot.

Thanks,

Joe

[edit on 17-3-2005 by Laxpla]




posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:30 PM
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I'm sure it can perform this maneuver. I have an aircraft book put out by the US Air Force which states that all of its fighter aircraft can perform this maneuver but are limited by the computer to ensure the long term stability of the airframe as well as to ensure the pilot does not risk the aircraft.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:45 PM
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With pitch rates greater than forty degrees per second and vectored thrust, it could do one quite easily. That's straight from the mouth (or keyboard) of Jon Beesley, a senior project pilot for the F-22.



[edit on 17/3/05 by Templarum]



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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I feel stupid asking this but what is the Cobra manuever



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:40 PM
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[edit on 17-3-2005 by bigx01]



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:47 PM
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its basicly this

Cobra : Perhaps the most fmous of all, in this move the sukhoi pitches up to 120 degrees angle of attack, and almost stops in mid air. The nose then falls back through to the horizontal, and the aircraft accelerates away in the original direction. There in no major gain or loss in height (unless there is an error of some sort on the entry and recovery).





The Cobra


or this is better




or check out these video's of the F/A 22 Raptor

F/A 22 Video's


here's a F-15 doing it




Asian Aerospace 2004, F-15E performing a cobra maneuver at the air show. Photos by Ed Turner


most fighter jets can do the maneuver



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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I, as with a few others (Jetsetter, etc.), have been stating thus for quite awhile. Furthermore, the F-22 can perform the vaunted Kulbit and super-cobra. Hell, ancient F-14s can do the Cobra.
The Truth about the Cobra Maneuver

Video of an F-22 doing a Cobra:
Click Marvel of Engineering




seekerof

[edit on 17-3-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 09:22 PM
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Joe,
Here's an answer to your question from our chief test pilot:

Yes we can do the cobra maneuver. It is in fact part of the Advanced
Handling Training the new pilots get. In essence, from level flight,
300 KCAS you abruptly go full aft stick, the aircraft will pitch nose up
to 90 degrees of pitch. You then abruptly push the stick full forward
and the nose pitches back down to level flight. It's an interesting
maneuver to watch but has questionable tactical utility (except in the
movies) as you bleed off a significant amount of energy during the
maneuver and pretty much make yourself a sitting duck.

Bret Luedke
F/A-22 Chief Test Pilot



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Laxpla
Joe,
Here's an answer to your question from our chief test pilot:

Yes we can do the cobra maneuver. It is in fact part of the Advanced
Handling Training the new pilots get. In essence, from level flight,
300 KCAS you abruptly go full aft stick, the aircraft will pitch nose up
to 90 degrees of pitch. You then abruptly push the stick full forward
and the nose pitches back down to level flight. It's an interesting
maneuver to watch but has questionable tactical utility (except in the
movies) as you bleed off a significant amount of energy during the
maneuver and pretty much make yourself a sitting duck.

Bret Luedke
F/A-22 Chief Test Pilot


That was going to be my next question what is the tactical advantage of the cobra, i mean Russia china seems to focus on and praise there ability to do the Tail slide But hey if im in a F-15,16,18,or F-22 and the Mig pilot does a Tail slide and lets him self hang in the air for a sec or two thats his dumb mistake


Cool to watch thought



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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There really seems to be no tactical advantage to the maneuver.

I have seen it performed live and it is quite impressive at an air-show and the super maneuverability is a great selling point to third world counties.

However, to kill off all of your forward energy in such a maneuver seems foolhardy at best. Factor in the increasingly bigger "no escape" envelopes from BVR missiles and its going to become an air-show curiosity.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:15 AM
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Ahhh, this is old news....

The question is, can the Russian aircraft do the vaunted "Houdini"????

The Houdini is a little trick that the Raptor can perform. In this trick, the Raptor makes aircraft blow up.

The secret is, the other aircraft never knew the Raptor was in the air.


Don't worry kids, you can see this trick performed on an evil dictatorship near you!



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:33 AM
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I've seen a couple of these threads but i still have one question.

Whats the difference between the Cobra and the Super-Cobra?



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Every aircraft can do a houdini.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 08:01 AM
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If an F-15 can perform a cobra then a F-22 can sure as hell do it!!
Btw I din't know that an F-14 could do it to!!..Is that for real?
Because what "maverick" did in the final fight sequence of "TOP GUN" wasn't a Cobra..
Yes and explain diff between cobra and supercobra..



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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Why are you all acting like the F14 is just as manuverable as a brick. The F14 can actually pull of 20 degrees a sec about the same as the f16. Its rate of roll however is poor.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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I believe what everyone means to ask is can the F22 do the super cobra, which is, I believe, an extreme cobra where the aircraft is literally flying backwards before returning to level fight. The aircraft goes straight ahead and level, then kicks the tail beneath it so that it is flying backwards and upside down, then returns to level.

[edit on 3/18/2005 by soulforge]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by tomcat ha
Every aircraft can do a houdini.


Negatory. It requires stealth. There for, ONLY US planes can.

Nice try though.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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I believe only the Su-37 could do it...



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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Negatory.


Negatory? Is that an American word?



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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the cobra is a 4th gen menuver. the kulbit is a 5th gen menuver.

only the Su-37, Su-30 MKI can do it. the F-22 cant.

but then the F-22 does not need to do it. it'll probabaly shoot down the enemy before a dogfight.

but if the F-22 has run out of BVR missiles, and has only sidewinders left, and going against a Mig-29 or a Su-37 or eurofighter, it'll surely get downed.

being a stable airframe does'nt help it.

the F-22 may have unlimited AoA, but the rate of change AoA its capable of is not great and thus it wont do well in a dogfight.

check out the other advantages of super meuverability, like virtual stealth i have posted on seekerof's cobra thread.



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