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Biden/Harris' Minimum Wage to $15 USD Will Cause Loss Of Millions of Jobs.

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posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 03:22 PM
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Fair wage for the lowest essential worker is zero in many cases...




posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

You mean like housewives and mothers?



posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Edumakated

You mean like housewives and mothers?





That is not the lowest essential worker.... that is someone forgoing employment so a spouse can potentially earn more or focus on work.

It is like this... sometimes people will work for free because it allows them to "get their foot in the door" and work their way up. You see this a lot in industries that are perceived as "fun" or interesting such as entertainment industry. People will often work for free initially to get exposure to the business and prove themselves so they can work their way up.

I did this when I was in college. My sophomore year I interned at a business non-profit organization for free. I literally worked 40 hours a week all summer for $0. From my perspective, it wasn't about the money, but building my resume so I had some experience I could show to potential employers the next summer between my junior and senior year. The next summer, I got a Wall Street internship which paid way more than $15/hr 25 years ago. From the business perspective, the place that didn't pay me got some needed help making photocopies and all the menial sh*t that no one likes to do. I got to show I can show up on time, be dependable, and exposure to what it is like working in an office/corporate environment. It was an even trade.

So I went from $0 to highly compensated just like that... so yeah, it sucked living at home and working for nothing, but I had to think long term. I could have easily just cut grass or got a job dropping fries or folding shirts at the gap but none of those jobs would have made me attractive the following year.



posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Oh, so you mean interns, that interns work for free, less than minimum wage. Are most interns "essential"? I don't think so. Fast food workers, convenience store workers, grocery store workers, delivery people, these are examples of "essential workers", according to what state and local governments have said, who can't work from home, and deserve to be paid.




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posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Currently, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Do you think that's a fair wage in this economy? Assuming that you don't, which may be an erroneous assumption, what would be a fair federal minimum wage?


I gotta be honest, but you don't need to make $15/hr to work at McDonalds. No disrespect to fast food employees in general. I was one myself.

In high school.

Then I moved on. Not every job needs to be making $15/hr. The onus is on you to find a job that pays enough to support the lifestyle you wish to live.



posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Fast food workers shouldn't be essential at all, same with any other restaurant really. Pick up food at the store and learn how to cook, it's cheaper, healthier, and a valuable life skill to have. I would consider that sector to be a luxury sector, same as the movie theater, bowling alley, etc.

I read an article yesterday about cooking fatigue for those that have had to cook for themselves during the pandemic. One of the reasons was a lack of knowledge of other things to cook aside from a few basic recipes. The internet is a thing, Youtube is a thing, there are millions of recipes floating around out there, just follow the instructions, it usually turns out alright. My wife and I have been experimenting with stuff that we would have never thought to do if we had the luxury of going out to eat. The only thing I've found so far that I can't make is a decent bowl of ramen, but I chalk that up to a lack of availability in pig bones to start the broth with. Somehow in southern NC I can't seem to find anywhere that carries them or knows where to find them.



posted on Nov, 17 2020 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

If I wasn't able to get pizza and/or tacos delivered, or with curb side pick up/or drive through take out, during our 3 month lock down, I would not have made it! It was essential!

Plus, we wanted to support our local restaurants!


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posted on Nov, 18 2020 @ 07:38 PM
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UC Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage Law, Then Fires Hundreds Of Workers After It Passes

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posted on Nov, 18 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: circuitsports
UC Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage Law, Then Fires Hundreds Of Workers After It Passes

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Wow shocking , didn't see that coming .

Lets do it other places and see how many they fire
lets make a game of it yes ?



posted on Nov, 19 2020 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

So maybe a little off topic, but I was discussing this with my wife for a bit. I've looked for studies on what the amount of restaurants per capita was even 40 years ago versus today. I know from speaking with other folks I know and my own personal experience going out to eat was reserved more for special occasions or vacation type situations. Otherwise dinner was on the table and if you didn't like it you were free to make your own.

I just wonder if at least some of the closings are a correction of oversaturation of restaurants, fast food or otherwise. I can assume the count was lower 40 years ago, and even lower still 60-80 years ago. I'm also assuming that a lot of the switch to going out more came with both members of the household working and a lack of time or energy to make a meal, I agree it's far easier to go buy something quick.



posted on Nov, 19 2020 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: circuitsports
UC Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage Law, Then Fires Hundreds Of Workers After It Passes

www.investors.com...


Stupid is as stupid does...



posted on Nov, 19 2020 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Sookiechacha

So maybe a little off topic, but I was discussing this with my wife for a bit. I've looked for studies on what the amount of restaurants per capita was even 40 years ago versus today. I know from speaking with other folks I know and my own personal experience going out to eat was reserved more for special occasions or vacation type situations. Otherwise dinner was on the table and if you didn't like it you were free to make your own.

I just wonder if at least some of the closings are a correction of oversaturation of restaurants, fast food or otherwise. I can assume the count was lower 40 years ago, and even lower still 60-80 years ago. I'm also assuming that a lot of the switch to going out more came with both members of the household working and a lack of time or energy to make a meal, I agree it's far easier to go buy something quick.



Restaurant industry is saturated and has a high failure rate. It is a very tough business with low profit margins. The industry is going to be shaken up for years due to Covid. Only places that are surviving right now are those that could easily make a transition to delivery and take out.



posted on Nov, 19 2020 @ 01:17 PM
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I just wonder if at least some of the closings are a correction of oversaturation of restaurants, fast food or otherwise.


Maybe, but big box stores and mega fast food chains are not really the one's suffering. It's the smaller, independent mom and pop shops and specialty shops that hurting. Like, you could buy goods from Home Depot and Lowes, but not from the little family owned garden shop off the beaten path. Same with small time restaurants, that couldn't make the numbers work with take out only revenue.



posted on Nov, 19 2020 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sorry guy, but the Fascist Leftists have already squashed the idea that raising the minimum wage kills jobs. You don't get to win that argument:
www.huffpost.com...

Done and dusted!

And it is probably the case that arguing against raising the minumum wage is racist.

www.nytimes.com...

Yup, I am right again.
See, the problem you have is that you "think" and you think logically. You dont need to do that because the Fascist Leftists have all the correct answers and there's simply nothing you can do about it........so really, thinking is pointless and speaking of what you might be thinking just exposes your racism and ignorance and unwillingness to accept the obvous truth and facts as presented by the MSM Propaganda outlets.



posted on Nov, 21 2020 @ 07:16 AM
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I think as we all move forward Government will be providing more of this as the work force requires less and less unskilled people. There will be 30% of the population always in need of help. They will live crappy lives even with Goverment help, but that is how it goes.



Thus a universal income becomes more palatable... It'll always come down to what you take home and how much your relevant currency is worth. It's a dressing on a gaping wound. The ugliest form of trickle down economics. Almost like buying into poverty.




The point to the IPhone and chai tea is one needs to evaluate their cost foot print first and in America many young people see their cost foot print well past what they could actually do, and so they say hey I need 15, 20, 30 bucks an hour for a living wages.


The same people would feel they're too good to visit a library for free Internet access. Or maybe gov doesn't fund that anymore? I lived cheap in my teens and early 20's too. I needed a phone for contact in regards to work, I needed Internet to apply for most jobs.

Any wage would've been better than my circumstances and I don't feel much difference today. I can only assume people would scoff at such predicaments if their situation wasn't all that bad. I'm thinking along the lines of parents who can and wish to be affluent within their kids lives.




But it is still a place you can come here with nothing and not even speak the language and live well. In every case one would need to evaluate why someone is where they are at...Why are they 30 and complaining about not making 15 bucks an hour? My wife who hasn't worked in 25 years got a wild hair about getting a job as the kids grow older. The job lasted one day...lol BUT her first non-skilled job in 25 years paid 18 per hour. My kid got a part time job out of high school as a cashier and started at 14, so who knows.


Location has something to do with it. I imagine an at home care giver would be well compensated in parts of Florida, louisiana not so much. Actual mobility naturally ties into social mobility. I'm guessing to a foreigner chasing the American dream picking the right state for your skill set is a little easier than say a kid from the bronx wanting to work on oil fields.

I guess it all comes down to what you'll accept and how hard you'll work for it. The US is the best place for social mobility though, I have friends who have been or are held back so to speak, they're not born US citizens and yet they thrive. Then again they can tell me stories of real poverty and hardship. I think a lot of the time the prisons people find themselves in are of their own making or completely fabricated.

That said my early adult life sucked, I volunteered... A lot. Anything that would make my CV stand out from the 1000's of others. 12 years ago was a crap time for anyone seeking employment. We had a gov forcing people to work for benefits, the practice was struck down in the highest human rights courts.

I was lucky in that regard, I chased education and work experience and I felt stuck. I'm not sure I could've hacked forced labour or the gov educational programs made for the unemployed. Neither had any benefit to the individual or the society, I can elaborate but I imagine you get the picture.



posted on Nov, 21 2020 @ 07:24 AM
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Automation is already headed the way of replacing low level workers.
Kiosks to order food and self check out at stores already exist.
Wait till they revamp stores to be stocked by robots. Aisles will be widened and shelves will be designed to use rolling automated restocking units. A human will govern the restocking bots.
Assembling your fast food will be automated at the counter or drive through.
Automated taxis aren’t that far off.
Lots of people only shop online. Where houses and delivery will be automated.

It only gets more automated as we go. Not less. Too high of a minimum wage will just speed things up.



posted on Nov, 21 2020 @ 09:18 AM
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well FL is 15 a hour so To bad Fl wont let posters dictate how much people should be payed .
O and Fl before the Virus did have job increases Immange that .



posted on Nov, 21 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

In this day and age, minimum wage is an obsolete concept.

Why? Because the 'true' minimum wage is represented by welfare, which is the money you get for doing nothing. Further, with modern mobility of the workforce, it isn't like it was in the 1800's and early 1900's, when people were largely unable to escape their immediate geographic area. The modern workforce is not 'trapped'.

All businesses must compete with welfare, and in essence, offer more than welfare and other similar programs provide, just in order to convince someone their time is more valuable spent working, than sitting on their arse!

Setting a minimum wage at some number, whatever it is, is arbitrary, and with inflation, this number ends up constantly falling behind, and needing to be re-adjusted over time.

Also, it ties the hands of willing workers who may work for less than minimum wage, and increases the labor 'black market', where people work off the record (under the table, in undeclared status), making it harder to collect taxes, and come up with true employment statistics for these individuals.

A higher minimum wage also makes it more attractive to hire so-called 'illegals', because they are off the record regardless, increasing the incentive for illegal immigration, for both the illegal workers, and the corporations that want to exploit them.

Personally, as long as employers are competing versus welfare benefits, I don't see why the minimum wage should not be abolished all together.

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posted on Nov, 21 2020 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: RAY1990

Thus a universal income becomes more palatable... It'll always come down to what you take home and how much your relevant currency is worth. It's a dressing on a gaping wound. The ugliest form of trickle down economics. Almost like buying into poverty.


Whether it is sowing the fields of old or working in a cube in an office it all comes down to the same thing in providing a livelihood. Bartering for items or just using money to buy isn't much different. The big difference today is your selection possibilities is a million times better than even 70 years ago.

I'm not a fan of universal income...who pays it? It will also never be enough to lift someone out of poverty and would become the locked door to keep people there. Blacks and American Indians get the most subsistence support out of all the groups and look where that has gotten them over the years. If 80% of Americans can provide a pretty good life for themselves and their families why not the other 20% when physical and mental limitations are not the issue? That is where we need to look. Socialism makes everyone equal...equally poor as the rich are still rich and the powerful are still powerful. I said this many times...The rich are powerful as a single person, but lets say we tax them 100% per year...That comes out to 600 billion or so...lets just say a trillion dollars we pull from them each year and gave that to the bottom 200 million in America, that would give each person 95 extra bucks a week. Doesn't come out to much when you spread it across the masses does it?
So where does the money really come from...you and me in the form of the rich get taxed 95% and you and me get taxed 80%...Who will want to work for that...




The same people would feel they're too good to visit a library for free Internet access. Or maybe gov doesn't fund that anymore? I lived cheap in my teens and early 20's too. I needed a phone for contact in regards to work, I needed Internet to apply for most jobs.


You can sit in any Star Bucks and use their internet for free...Low income families can get internet for 10 bucks a month, but yes internet at least on the low end should be free. Now you want 1 gig up/down then you need to pay.



Any wage would've been better than my circumstances and I don't feel much difference today. I can only assume people would scoff at such predicaments if their situation wasn't all that bad. I'm thinking along the lines of parents who can and wish to be affluent within their kids lives.


Many people go through life making poor life choices one after another with every one of them making it harder and harder to get a head in life. I understand that and that is why I said at some point about 30% of the population will need subsistence and I see that as government provided food/shelter, and it isn't going to be great.. never is. Many places like this..."the projects" turn into real hellholes after awhile, drugs, gangs, massive dysfunctionality, I don't know the answer here.




I guess it all comes down to what you'll accept and how hard you'll work for it. The US is the best place for social mobility though, I have friends who have been or are held back so to speak, they're not born US citizens and yet they thrive. Then again they can tell me stories of real poverty and hardship. I think a lot of the time the prisons people find themselves in are of their own making or completely fabricated.

I was lucky in that regard, I chased education and work experience and I felt stuck. I'm not sure I could've hacked forced labour or the gov educational programs made for the unemployed. Neither had any benefit to the individual or the society, I can elaborate but I imagine you get the picture.


To be honest you have a better chance for success in America than England as we have like 50 Englands to choose from. I don't think a lot of Americans understand that. People say they can't find work and my son got a job at a department store as a cashier for 13 bucks an hour, 18 year-old never worked a day in his left. My wife looked for work not working for 25 years as our kids grow older and she quickly found one for 18 per hour... We don't need the money and so she did it for a while and decided still being a mom is better...lol

Neither had any skills to speak of but both were clean and well-kept, provided a level of intelligence in speaking and learning while being an honest person... Doesn't take much...What does a person do in England when they live in an area with no jobs?

I told my kids to do better than 50% of the country is to go to work on time everyday, don't be high or drunk, and come back after lunch... Not real big hurtles..lol


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