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Originally posted by Apollyon
IT'S NOT THEIR LAND!
International law sucks. When Arch-terrorist Yassir Arafat can come to the UN with a holstered gun to his side and receive a standing ovation from world leaders who make these international laws - then international laws suck.
When Arch-terrorist Yassir Arafat is a hero who is above the law - then international law is irrelevant.
When Yassir Arafat ethnically cleanses Bethlehem from its Christian majority, aids in doing the same in Lebanon, leads and plans terrorist attrocities like the 1976 'Air France highjacking' the 1972 Munich Murders of the Israeli athletes in the Olympics (and this is just a drop in the sea) and no international law stands in his way then I think that international law is a joke.
According to the book 'From Time Immemorial' Much of the Palestinians ancestry immigrated to 'Palestine' parallel to Jewish immigration.
I am reluctant to bore the reader and myself with further examples of Mrs. Peters's highly tendentious use—or neglect—of the available source material. Much more important is her misunderstanding of basic historical processes and her failure to appreciate the central importance of natural population increase as compared to migratory movements. Readers of her book should be warned not to accept its factual claims without checking their sources. Judging by the interest that the book aroused and the prestige of some who have endorsed it, I thought it would present some new interpretation of the historical facts. I found none. Everyone familiar with the writing of the extreme nationalists of Zeev Jabotinsky's Revisionist party (the forerunner of the Herut party) would immediately recognize the tired and discredited arguments in Mrs. Peters's book. I had mistakenly thought them long forgotten. It is a pity that they have been given new life.
So to hell with international law - It is a joke just like the UN and if the Palestinians leadership is above international law (since no UN resolutions were made against them) then don't use international law or UN resolutions as an excuse to bash Israel.
Originally posted by Jakomo
Ah, of course. Let's blame Arafat again. Do you have any other reasons why the UN sucks or is it just that it opposes the degradation of the Palestinians by the Israelis that gets you pumped? That's the worst explanation for why the UN is ineffective that I have ever heard, you can do better.
When Yassir Arafat ethnically cleanses Bethlehem from its Christian majority, aids in doing the same in Lebanon, leads and plans terrorist attrocities like the 1976 'Air France highjacking' the 1972 Munich Murders of the Israeli athletes in the Olympics (and this is just a drop in the sea) and no international law stands in his way then I think that international law is a joke.
Yasser Arafat massacred Christians in Bethlehem? Do you have a link? Like maybe with a good picture of Arafat all decked out in his Rambo-gear? Please use an actual newswire source.
Led and planned the 1976 Air France hijacking? (I had always thought that it was Dr. Wadia Hadad's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a little branch of the PLO and the Uganda's Idi Amin)
Led and planned the 1972 Munich Murders? ( I thought that was Abu Daoud)
Dude, get a grip.
According to the book 'From Time Immemorial' Much of the Palestinians ancestry immigrated to 'Palestine' parallel to Jewish immigration.
A book widely criticized by Israelis and non-Israelis alike for being propaganda, so let's ignore the rest of that paragraph.
www.nybooks.com...
You said...
So to hell with international law - It is a joke just like the UN and if the Palestinians leadership is above international law (since no UN resolutions were made against them) then don't use international law or UN resolutions as an excuse to bash Israel.
So blame the U.N. and blame the Palestinians and blame Arafat because there's absolutely no way that Israel is in any way responsible for anything negative.
The 30+ year of Illegal Occupation by Israel of the Palestinians is illegal under International Law, and morally repugnant to any person with any sense of justice whatsoever. I don't need the UN to prove it to me by coming out with a resolution against Israel that the US vetoes automatically.
jako
[edit on 25-3-2005 by Jakomo]
Originally posted by 1wintermute1
Why is Yasser Araft such a "terrorist", and the butcher of Beirut (Sharon) a saint ?
Bombings have been used by ALL revoltionary movements throughout history, and almost all of them have utilized women and children, because in times of conflict they are under less scrutiny than young men.
At least suicide bombers (a fairly recent phenomenon)have the decency to die along with those they are murdering.
If one is able to step back and take a historical view, one would realize that Israel has rose, and fell many times. Even their biblical claims tell of conquering foreign lands and putting all to the sword. That's how they got their land to begin with and it's how they most recently got their land back (even if the zionist have none if any racial ties to the origianl israelis)
From the Egyptians to the Russians. Jews have always been "persecuted" There will come a time maybe soon, maybe not when israel will fall again. No matter what their book, or their prophecies say.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Regarding occupation the internet too has been highjacked by the palestinians put occupied land into Google and see what cones back.
Makes it seem like West Bank and Gaza is the only occupied land on earth. Well what about Syria?
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
OK but you miss the point - Palestinians target civilians not the military - I would not be so upset if the homicide/suicide bombers would target soldiers. Some do - most don't. What is more freightening is that the Palestinian people support the killing of Israel civilians and children - but when Palestinian civilians are killed inadvertently when fighting militants this is unacceptable.
Wrong on two accounts:
1- 'Palestine' was divided into an Arab and Jewish land by the Brits and then created as a country by the UN. The Arabs attacked the new Jewish country and at the end of the war the land set aside from the Partition plan slightly differed from the 1949 armistice lines where some lands Israel succeeded in conquering and others were lost to the Arabs.
2- Zionists do have ties to the original Israelis or Jews - This is just additional Palestinians lies spread to invalidate the Jewish claim in the land of Israel. Genetric tests have shown that all Jews (Ashkenazi (european) and Sepahrdic (Middle eastern, central Asia) Jews) are all generacally much similar at least in their Y chromosome (Paternal Lineage) than non-Jews of the same locale. More over the genes tracked have a link to Syrian as well as some Palestinian Arabs.
see foundationstone.com.au...
The late Ahmed Yassin claimed that in the 2010 or 2020s Israel will be destroyed according to his investigation into the Koran (?Your guess is as good as mine?)
You are now going into the realm of the Palestinian WET DREAM. Watch out not to get 'goo'ed.
Originally posted by 1wintermute1
B.S The zionist bombed plenty of civillians prior to israel's most recent incarnation. You and I both know that!
A :jewish land was given by the british due to the initial campaign of terror by the zionist.
As for your genetics link give me some time to read it, and respond. You can't deny the fact that modern day Israel was founded by europeans(ashkenazi) fleeing the pogroms of last century. Which no matter what you say, are not the same israelis that fled Egypt, and originally stole this very same "promised" land.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by 1wintermute1
Wrong on two accounts:
1- 'Palestine' was divided into an Arab and Jewish land by the Brits and then created as a country by the UN. The Arabs attacked the new Jewish country and at the end of the war the land set aside from the Partition plan slightly differed from the 1949 armistice lines where some lands Israel succeeded in conquering and others were lost to the Arabs.
2- Zionists do have ties to the original Israelis or Jews - This is just additional Palestinians lies spread to invalidate the Jewish claim in the land of Israel. Genetric tests have shown that all Jews (Ashkenazi (european) and Sepahrdic (Middle eastern, central Asia) Jews) are all generacally much similar at least in their Y chromosome (Paternal Lineage) than non-Jews of the same locale. More over the genes tracked have a link to Syrian as well as some Palestinian Arabs.
see foundationstone.com.au...
From the Egyptians to the Russians. Jews have always been "persecuted" There will come a time maybe soon, maybe not when israel will fall again. No matter what their book, or their prophecies say.
The late Ahmed Yassin claimed that in the 2010 or 2020s Israel will be destroyed according to his investigation into the Koran (?Your guess is as good as mine?)
You are now going into the realm of the Palestinian WET DREAM. Watch out not to get 'goo'ed.
[edit on 27-3-2005 by xphantomx]
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Could you please elaborate - I would like to know what events you are talking about.
In addition, your definition of terror must be lacking since you do not differentiate between guerilla warfare from terrorism.
None-other than the same people who lived in Israel and Judea of biblical times. Depending on who you ask some secular scholors do not believe the Egyptian exodus or the conquest of Jericho since no archeological evidence has every been uncovered. What is certain is that Jews (generically same as modern day) lived in Israel during and after King David's time and right up to the Babylonian conquest (circa 500 BCE).
Originally posted by xphantomx
1. The Arabs and Palestinians rejected the partition because they were more than 70% of the population at the time of the partition plan, their counter-offer was to have a single state democracy and the zionists could just have a minority vote, a UN peacekeeping force could stay to make sure they wern't persecuted by the majority rule..
In addition to roughly 600,000 Jews, 350,000 Arabs resided in the Jewish state created by partition. Approximately 92,000 Arabs lived in Tiberias, Safed, Haifa and Bet Shean, and another 40,000 were Bedouins, most of whom were living in the desert. The remainder of the Arab population was spread throughout the Jewish state and occupied most of the agricultural land.
another problem was that in the part that was to be the 'Jewish' state; was 40% Palestinian, and they owned most of the land in the 'Jewish' state, which means they would have had to be disowned of their property and their rights, so they had to reject the partition.
According to British statistics, more than 70% of the land in what would become Israel was not owned by Arab farmers, it belonged to the mandatory government. Those lands reverted to Israeli control after the departure of the British. Nearly 9% of the land was owned by Jews and about 3% by `Arabs who became citizens of Israel. That means only about 18% belonged to Arabs who left the country before and after the Arab invasion of Israel
The reason Yassin thinks Israel will collapse in 2020 (he said 2020, not 2010) is because you fools are going to keep building settlements in the WB making a 2 state solution impossible, by 2020 the Palestinians will have a sizable majority and the west will drop it's financial support which your state depends on, then you won't have Israel on 78% of Palestine, you'll have what the arabs wanted when they rejected the partition plan in 1947
Originally posted by toasted
don't you palestinian punks try snowing me...I know better
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by xphantomx
Firstly it is thought not thinks. Secondly he claimed his Koranic studies have brought him to believe in what he said. I do not think what you said is in the Koran.
But if what you say is true, The prophecy probably will not come true because today more than 95% of the population is under Palestinian rule. Israeli is in a peace process with the Palestinians. But then again Palestinians like Palestinians will probably revert to terrorism again, reneg on all agreements with israel again, and throw a monkey wrench in the wheels of the peace process again so anything is possible.
Originally posted by xphantomx
This is such BS- "95% of the P population is under P rule" it's an aphartied scheme, they are crammed into bantustans and the zionists rule over the bantustans, just like S. Africa used to be only much worse; the question becomes then why not make a bi-national state since that becomes the only way to give Palestinians their equal rights, and if Israel refuses to do that than it's a rogue state like S. Africa got tagged; a racist oppresive non-democratic theocracy..eventually the west must drop economic and military support (and the US is going bankrupt anyways) and Israel is as dependent on the west as Maria Schivo is on that feeding tube-it has no local trading partners and is dependent on forign aid and trading subsidies, it has no viable commercial industries except some non-labor intensive tech sector, a service/military economy dependent on foreigh (western) countries..