Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Those are great ideas sofi
if even a few are used, then things will get better...
Thanks. Just hope it will get the ball rolling.
Thru the process that sofi illistrated quite elegantly, she educated me into a new understanding. Her process doesn't work with everyone... as it
You're giving me too much credit. Half the time I wing it. ..I did take philosphy in university, did well in logic and went into pre-law - but that
was a long time ago. I've forgotten a lot and need a refresher, at least. ...I have fun with the debate structure, but I think it's too adversarial
for teaching/learning. I'm trying to learn what's now called the "Socratic Method" - it's gentler, and more respectful.
we are all on the same team or we wouldn't be here...
we just have different ideas about what the team needs to do or think or believe... and research and experience is a valid way to "educate" other
You can never change someone mind by calling them names, or putting down their ideas... only by questioning them... and being willing to accept the
answer will that be accomplished...
I have scanned through SO's thread and found some intresting points to back up his view. However, I feel that you too, have made some very well put
...I agree with SO totally (except the part where he says I'm biased
) - just trying take things on to the next step.
I honestly believe that the problems we are witnessing here on the board is indicitive of the inherant problem of humanity. Someone always has to be
right. People all over the world are acting the same way we are. It is not just a problem relegated to ATS.
...With our inate fear, we have lost the fundamental respect for our fellow man/woman. It is this respect that we must seek out and embrace, else we
shall continue on the path we are trodding.
True. ...But why does that happen? IMO - you're right - it's a kind of "ego-survival." ...And education pulls people out of the pit, gives them
MORE of everything they need to survive AND triumph - without feeling the need to stomp the "competition" into oblivion.
I don't think creating more titles will help build effective community.
...Just an acknowledgment I felt was needed - to me, the core idea is the learning. ...The tests and titles are more by way of being motivators.
The problem that we suffer is one stemming from the dynamics of text based communication.
Only partly I think. ...I have an eclectic group of friends - get them all in the same room at the same time, and sparks DO fly. ...Because everyone
is quite civilized, topics are dropped with regularity - and open discussion does NOT happen. But what if? What if we created a room full of people
where despite differences, we could talk openly about things we disagreed upon?
..I have been lucky enough to be part of such groups. They're not common, and not easy to create - but they can and do exist.
The problems we deal with here on ATS are systemic. It doesn't mean we cannot solve them but it does insist a resolution addressing the system not
the users so to say.
I tried to do both. Can you expand? Not sure what follows, or what you're saying is needed/missing.
ATS is a community not built on a concept of one. We are a diverse community meeting the needs of a diverse public. With this come the systemic
problems I am speaking of.
...What are the solutions? I think we can use this OP/ED Soficrow has created to address them and to update each new page 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... with
updates of Proposed solutions to keep the thread on track and progressing.
...I know that I'm a bit of a bull-dozer. I go thru my process, get the picture, charge on to look for solutions and start shooting my mouth off.
...It's manipulation inversed. Totally backward. I don't prepare the ground, don't share the process, don't go one step at a time or wait for
other people to catch up. And often of course, just shoot myself in the foot. ...I'm workin on it. But I hope people with be patient and get past my
mistakes - and really LOOK at how we can fix this problem we have. ATS can only get better IMO. It will just take all of us recognizing that we're
working towards the same goals.