Humanoid Creatures Discovered by Russian Divers in 1982?

I've seen this movie

originally posted by: Guyfriday
When I was a Field Investigator for MUFON, I had the chance to talk to a verified former KGB General (yes that one), but I didn't start asking questions until he had a few bottles of vodka through him first. It was my understanding that if he was sober, he would tell you whatever you wanted to hear, but if you got him drunk then he was likely to spill the beans on what he really knew. He loved scamming Americans that would set up those meetings, and would even play up the whole spy vs spy thing so that the meetings seemed cooler than they really were. I met with him at a restaurant and got him talking about American vs Russian Vodka. After going through a few bottles, I started asking about the KGB's paranormal investigations.

So you mean Putin...you talked with Putin. And inhuman drinking a few bottles of Vodka no less.

Now where is the Hoax here?

a reply to: abeverage

Don't be cute, General Yeremensky (If I remember correctly). It was back in the 90's. He's was on TV a lot back then talking about the Soviet Union's paranormal divisions and crap like that. I got a chance to talk to him and flew out to Russia for an interview. What a time that was to be involved with UFOs back then. I mean it was just as scammie as it is now, but since nobody was looking for a TV deal, you could get a lot more information from others without the crap of today.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: rickymouse

I dunno. The bends is a horrible way to die. I wouldn’t risk it.

I thought about scuba diving years ago, I could have got the whole setup for two hundred bucks. But I started to think after talking to people I know who dived. They told me that there are some huge strange looking fish in the Houghton canal, eight feet long and not a sturgeon. I figured I did not want to see those fish even though my friends said they were harmless, because I used to swim a real lot in that area and I would have felt paranoid if I did see something huge like that.

I know what you mean. We used to surf on kayaks at Carolina Beach. They had a kayak with a plastic window in the bottom. I wouldn’t use that one, I had no desire to see what was under me. Ignorance is bliss.

ATS is supposed to be about fighting ignorance, but sometimes ignorance is something that allows you to continue on your path. Knowing your path is going into the right direction and remembering what and why you ignored something is important though. You need to assess risk when you do things and think before you leap, something liberals fail to do quite often.

a reply to: rickymouse

Your post reminds me of a comic:
From; Adult Swim


It sometimes seems like people just can't figure out what's right in front of them, but sure "Ignorance is Bliss" sometimes.

I remember stumbling on this story years ago, a fun one. I’ve always enjoyed local intelligent life stories, why they are less common than stories of beings soaring across the universe for eons Just to crash into our little wet rock and hide from us? As some have pointed out here, it doesn’t make for as good of a Hollywood story (rape fish men?) to the masses.

As for these russian fish, I don’t believe any military would allow a foreign power to exist unchallenged within their boarders. If there is more to this story, what was the follow up actions by Russia? Let em have the lake and pretend it didn’t happen? a reply to: lostbook

Some info here at 30:45

a reply to: lostbook

This story has been around for over a decade. Without anything in the way of verifiable evidence.

In the video it claims that the Russian government declassified documents from the Soviet Navy. Then we have the usual UFOtainment heads telling us the usual pro-alien tales. None of them were there.

So where are these documents? Who translated them? Are there any surviving witnesses?

Or is this just another story that will get revived every few years in an endless cycle of entertainment.


Edit : I believe the original source is an archived Russian webpage : Link

Sorry, can't translate...

a reply to: mirageman

July 16, 2009 06: 52 | Sergey Turchenko, Vasilisa voynova Text Photo Video
The answer to UFOs should be found at the bottom of the oceans
The Navy declassified information about meetings of submarines with unknown objects in the depths of the sea and mysterious underwater bases

The former commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral of the fleet Vladimir Chernavin, told the "SP" correspondent that the Soviet Navy had accumulated such a large number of cases of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) emerging from the water and plunging into the depths that a special group was created to collect and analyze such facts. Once a week, she prepared a report on this topic to the commander-in-chief of the Navy. It was headed by the Deputy commander-in-chief, Admiral of the fleet Nikolai Smirnov. These materials were recently declassified.

Describing naval UFO information a former Deputy chief of undersea research Oceanographic Commission of the USSR Academy of Sciences captain first rank Vladimir Azhazha did this situation:

- 50 percent of meetings with UFOs are connected with oceans. 15 percent-with lakes. So UFOs clearly gravitate to the water element. Therefore, the naval collection of UFO data is of particular value.

There are statistics of water UFOs: the first place for meetings with them by military sailors is the Atlantic-44 percent of sightings, in the Pacific - 16 percent, 10 percent - in the Mediterranean sea, everything else accounts for 30 percent.

There is information that one of the submarines of the Pacific fleet, while on combat patrol, by means of sonar found six unknown objects near it that do not lend themselves to classification. Maneuvering to break away from the uninvited escort failed. The commander of the submarine was forced to give the command to ascend, grossly violating the rules of combat patrol. When the boat surfaced, all six UFOs flew out of the water and disappeared.

The former commander of the nuclear submarine, rear Admiral Yuri Beketov, repeatedly participated in combat service in the Bermuda triangle and repeatedly reported to Admiral Smirnov about unusual phenomena. Today he tells:

- Went closer to the United States and moved to Bermuda. Set. We were tacking back. We encountered many unusual phenomena: the devices gave an unmotivated failure, then there was powerful interference. Some unexplained phenomena appear to have been created artificially. We have repeatedly observed that devices record the movement of material objects at an unimaginable speed. We measured some speeds-about 230 knots (400 km per hour). This speed is difficult to create on the surface, only in the air. But there is a huge resistance in the water. As if the laws of physics don't apply to these objects. The conclusion is that the beings who created such material objects are far superior to us in development. We can even assume that in the depths of the ocean there is another ancient civilization in parallel with us. Or they are aliens from other worlds, hiding from human eyes deep under the water.

By the way, on the territory of the Bermuda triangle is the deepest depression of the Atlantic – Puerto Rican. Its depth is 8742 meters. Perhaps there are hidden UFO bases, or rather, NGOs-unidentified underwater objects.

Navy intelligence veteran captain first rank Igor Barclay says:

- Ocean UFOs often appear in areas where the forces of our or NATO fleet are concentrated. These are the Bahamas and Bermuda, Puerto Rico, and the waters of the East coast of the United States. It is there, according to some experts, are located underwater UFO bases. UFOs are especially often seen in the deepest part of the Atlantic – in the South of the Bermuda triangle and in the Caribbean. And they don't behave like guests.

Very impressive data on the observation of a UFO in Baikal lake. At kilometer depths of the lake sailors repeatedly observed luminescence resembling a spot light and strobe like flashing of electric welding, and departure from the water obscure objects in the form of a bright luminous silver discs and cylinders.

In the summer of 1982, divers of the military diving service during training dives into the water of lake Baikal several times almost encountered underwater swimmers in tight-fitting silver coveralls, in all similar to people, only about three meters tall. In addition, at a depth of 50 meters, they did not have any scuba gear or any other devices, but their heads were hidden by spherical helmets. The attempt to catch unidentified divers ended tragically. Out of a group of seven divers who tried to do this with a net, four became disabled, and three died.

According to military sailors, UFOs are of different types: saucers, cigars, cylinders.

- There is data from the sailors of the Pacific fleet, - continues Vladimir Azhazha, - about how in remote waters of the Pacific ocean they observed" hung " in the sky cylinders, from which smaller saucer-shaped UFOs flew out, plunged into the water, and then again returned to the main cylinder, and it flew away somewhere. According to our earthly concepts, this cylinder can be identified with the uterus. As for underwater bases, I can say one thing: why not? You can't discard anything. The easiest way to take the position of a skeptic is to believe in nothing and do nothing. People rarely dive to great depths. Therefore, it is very important to analyze what they encounter there.

Comment by the Chairman of the public research organization "Underwater search", captain of the first rank Vladimir Prikhodko:

- The data of our sailors is confirmed by numerous foreign certificates. For example, the us military press reported an unexplained contact off the coast of Puerto Rico. The US Navy conducted an exercise here, the purpose of which was to detect the breaking submarine of the "enemy". The exercise involved an aircraft carrier, five escort ships, submarines and aircraft. All submarines participating in the exercise maneuvered in "silent running" mode. "All of a sudden, something extraordinary happened," says Professor Sanderson, who made the report based on an analysis of us Navy documents."A sonar technician on one of the escort ships reported to the bridge that one of the submarines had broken formation and was apparently pursuing some unknown target."

The speaker's report baffled the officers. The fact is that this unidentified object, according to the readings of the instruments, was going under water at a speed of 150 knots! That is 280 km / h! This can not be, because a modern submarine in the submerged state can not develop a speed higher than 45 knots. The officer of the watch immediately reported this to the ship's commander, who, in turn, immediately contacted the staff ship. What was his surprise when he learned that, literally interrupting each other, all the other ships report to the aircraft carrier the same thing. "At least," writes Professor Sanderson, "13 submarine logbooks and aircraft logbooks have recorded that their sonar sensors detected an" ultra-fast underwater ship." Relevant reports about all this were immediately sent to the commander of the Atlantic fleet of the US Navy.

For four days, the object maneuvered within a wide area and for four days, us Navy ships and aircraft received its signals, tracking it. (Or, on the contrary, was he following them?!) But that's not all. According to sonar reports, this object sank to a depth of 20,000 feet in a matter of minutes. In other words, it maneuvered in the vertical and horizontal planes in a way that no modern man-built submarine can do. Not to mention that the diving limit for a modern submarine does not exceed 6000 feet. Even the bathyscaphe "Trieste", built specifically for ultra-deep diving, on which the famous oceanographer Jacques Piccard in 1960 made a record dive into the Mariana trench to a depth of about 35,800 feet, so as not to be destroyed, spent 4.5 hours on this dive. And this unknown object maneuvered almost from the surface to a depth of 20,000 feet in a matter of minutes! "In other words," Sanderson writes,"the mysterious object must literally belong to another world."

Another unusual case was witnessed by the famous Arctic Explorer Dr. Rubens J.Willela, as well as the coxswain and watch officer of an icebreaker that took part in naval maneuvers codenamed "Deep Freeze" in the North Atlantic. It was late afternoon. Dr. Villela was on deck when he suddenly saw "something appear out of the water, breaking through three meters of ice, and a huge silver bullet disappeared in the sky." Huge blocks of ice, lifted into the air for several tens of meters, with a cannon roar fell back on the hummocks, and the water in the resulting huge hole was boiling. Clouds of steam rose from it, which seemed to indicate the gigantic energy potential of the process that had just occurred.

In the 70s, American military sailors tested long-range underwater communication equipment. In the Atlantic ocean, there was a ship that received signals radiated from the coast. And suddenly they began to receive signals similar to those sent, but modified. The analysis showed that this is not an echo, not a repetition of the primary signal. We've located the source of the signal. It was located at a depth of 8 kilometers. According to American scientists, it looked as if someone was receiving a signal, modifying it, and then transmitting it on the same frequency, as if to attract attention.

In those years, it was not possible to decipher the signal. Recently, the attempt was repeated with the help of powerful Pentagon computers. The results are not reported. But the Americans then noticeably stepped up work on studying the bottom in the area where the "reflected" signals came from.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Thanks for the translation. Unfortunately there's no clue as to where these documents are though. Nor are there any quotations from witnesses.

a reply to: mirageman

Yes, unfortunately. Mostly it's this person said this and that person etc. Hearsay information. It looks like it could be true just reading it, but that doesn't mean much I suppose. And many of the reported observations have been reported before in other cases like fast moving submerged crafts, but that also doesn't make it true.

Believing it's all true doesn't take anyone very far in any direction.
Real documents would probably help somewhat.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

"July 16, 2009 06: 52 | Sergey Turchenko, Vasilisa voynova Text Photo Video
The answer to UFOs should be found at the bottom of the oceans
The Navy declassified information about meetings of submarines with unknown objects in the depths of the sea and mysterious underwater bases."


Thanks for your in-depth post!

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: lostbook

This story has been around for over a decade. Without anything in the way of verifiable evidence.
In the video it claims that the Russian government declassified documents from the Soviet Navy. Then we have the usual UFOtainment heads telling us the usual pro-alien tales. None of them were there.

So where are these documents? Who translated them? Are there any surviving witnesses?
Or is this just another story that will get revived every few years in an endless cycle of entertainment.

Edit : I believe the original source is an archived Russian webpage : Link

Sorry, can't translate...

These are excellent questions, unfortunately, I don't have excellent answers.

Yeah, Paul Stonehill "Director of the Russian Ufology Center" in California USA is the original source of the story I think.

It is mentioned in his book "Soviet Ufo Files" published 1998.

It then somehow found its way into Russian newspapers and got republished multiple times over the years.

Here an article about Ichthyo Sapiens from "Комсомольская правда", 18.10.2003 linking him to the story:
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a reply to: lostbook

Chances are 9 out of 10 these divers had a camera with them and recorded the whole incident. These recordings would go viral if published for sure..

It is the most stupidest action these divers could do...trying to capture one of these aliens. What idiot gave the order to do so..? I do not feel sorry for those idiots.. what if these aliens tried to capture one of these russians....same reaction could be expected.

a reply to: lostbook

Man has explored less than 5% of the world's oceans. I always thought if you wanted to be on this planet and remain undetectable the oceans are as good as it gets.

If you assume their origin is not of Earth...

When some other being looks at Earth, from far away...

What will they see?

A planet that is 70% water.

If you want to explore that planet, would you send a land based craft? If you have the technology to explore the water, my guess is that is where you'll end up.

If a UFO were to come down to Earth at a random location, it would be on or in water contact 70% of the time.

Water is the place to go, for sure.