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The Safetyism Mentality

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posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 09:25 AM
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There was another article by Heather Mac Donald that wrote about this and she was using a term that I thought was very descriptive. It was "safetyism mentality" and it's almost like an obsession with safety. You know, I've used that a lot because others have pointed out that if we have a government that is designed to make us safe, in all regards, whether it's economic safety or medical safety, personal safety, everything is turned over to the government, there's no liberty left.

~ Ron Paul (source)


When it comes to Covid-19 people generally fall into one of two camps, either they think masks and prolonged lockdowns are a good idea, or they think it's all just fearmongering and we need to get back to business. One thing I cannot help but notice is that each of these groups tend to share the same political beliefs, there are exceptions of course, but there is a clear divide in terms of politics. This sharp divide clearly shows just how politicized Covid-19 has become.

It isn't hard to see why people are so clearly separated into these two groups when you begin to understand the ideologies behind modern leftism. What we see is a slow but sure shift towards ever more socialist policies, and these policies often involve trading freedom for safety. For example increasing censorship so some people can feel more protected from fake news, or increasing taxes to astronomical levels to fund a nanny state and create more equality, etc.

As I've said before I'm not against the fundamental idea of socialism, all societies have some mix of socialism and capitalism. Police, fire-fighters, roads, etc are all social services that taxes pay for and they immensely benefit society. The problem arises when we allow socialism to undermine the proper functioning of capitalism. When socialism is taken too far you get a thing called communism, which is an extreme form of collectivism. The good of the community is always placed above the good of the individual.

There has never been a communist regime in the history of Earth which has achieved equality. In fact we always see the opposite thing occur, you get dictators with an immense amount of power over their population, who are usually very poor due to poor economies policies. This is why I find the growing disdain for capitalism and free speech so disturbing and so dangerous. We should never give up our individual liberty so that the government can keep us safe and treat us all like children.


originally posted by: ChaoticOrder on Sep, 1 2018

Ultimately it's a choice between liberty and freedom, or governmental coercion and intrusions into the way we live our lives. This is the core difference between people who promote a one world government and those who oppose it. Those in favor of it may say "oh but it's for the greater good, it's an all powerful government that can care for every person on Earth". They are willing to put all their faith in one highly centralized authority.

The "greater good" is not always the right choice. For example would you want to live in a society where everyone is assigned an occupation by the government in order to most efficiently meet the needs of the population? It would be for the greater good, there would never be a shortage of doctors, but would you actually be willing to give up that amount of liberty? At what point does your own desires and aspirations outweigh the need of the greater good?

Why Excessive Socialism Doesn't Work


People should be free to decide what risks they are willing to take in life. I'm not going to live in fear of a virus which is nowhere near as severe as we were told. I have already written in detail concerning the severity of Covid-19 so I wont do it again here. People often say "what if your freedom ends up killing another person, what then?", and my response to that is I could be on my deathbed about to die of Covid-19 and my opinion would remain unchanged.

That is because my opinions are not based on emotions such as fear and some sense of self-righteousness which I can use to signal my virtue. My opinions are based on the cold hard facts of reality, and those facts make it clear that masks and prolonged lockdowns do next to nothing, and the adverse effects far outweigh any benefits. Let me guess what some readers are thinking right now; these are just "crackpot" opinions of a conspiracy theorist, well lets see who else agrees with me.


The World Health Organisation has backflipped on its original COVID-19 stance after calling for world leaders to stop locking down their countries and economies. Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus.

He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved. “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” he said.

“We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr Nabarro told The Spectator. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns


Let me guess, you still don't trust that news source or the many other MSM outlets which reported the story... well lets take a look at what the actual WHO website has to say:


What is WHO’s position on ‘lockdowns’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as ‘lockdowns’, can slow COVID-19 transmission by limiting contact between people.

However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.

WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Herd immunity, lockdowns and COVID-19

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posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 09:25 AM
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I think modern people have become disconnected from the notion of death, which allows us to be easily manipulated by the fear of death. Don't get me wrong I fear death at times just like everyone else, but I don't let it control me, otherwise I would never leave the house. For months now my phone has had #StaySafe displayed at the top of the screen... it's like nah I think I'll go walk in front of traffic. That is a perfect example of the safetyism mentality, this same theme of coming together for the greater good of the community.

Even if I wanted to do something highly dangerous like skydiving or freehand mountain climbing, that is my decision. We all deserve the right to decide what risks we are willing to take, and I don't want to hear this nonsense about placing others at risk. If you're so scared of reality then stay inside your basement forever. I've visited my grandparents multiple times over the last 6 months (obviously not in the middle of a lockdown) because they wanted me to visit and were willing to take that risk.

People have been willing to give up so many of their freedoms and have adjusted how they live to such a dramatic degree all because of fear and fake virtue. One of the most ludicrous examples I saw here in Australia was a new rule which means that Surf Lifeguards won't be performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, instead they will use an oxygen mask. Are you telling me people who risk their life for a living are that scared of Covid-19? What about the people on the verge of dying, you think they really care more about a flu-like virus?


“If someone is pulled from the water and mouth to mouth could save them (young child etc) I would be doing the mouth to mouth to save a life, that would haunt you forever if you knew you could save someone but were told not to,” one person said on Facebook.

Anger as Surf Life Savers won't be performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation during the summer



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 09:38 AM
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We are victims of our own comfort and success. Few have to make real sacrifices any more and death has become removed from our every day lives to become some abstract concept experienced through the media. With little or no grounding in history people have become victims of safetyism and positivism rhetoric. Hope and change is the primary motivator for many; false promises of a "fairer, more equitable future". Sounds greats - means nothing in reality.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 09:52 AM
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The general public is pretty bad at assessing risk.

The same people who fear Covid with it's 99.9% survival rate will get in a car and drive 80mph while texting... while being surrounded by other people doing 80mph and also texting. They won't think twice about it.

Covid fear is mass hysteria.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yeah exactly, we don't have to think about where our food comes from, we have become very separated from nature and we believe we can control everything about nature instead of learning to live with nature. It's made people scared of things like the common flu so they get jabbed every year but still seem to get sick, meanwhile I can't remember the last time I had the flu. It's just so sad how some people buy into it instead of realizing they are acting like germophobic lunatics.
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posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:01 AM
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I fall into the middle group. I think that masks can be beneficial in certain conditions and also harmful in some conditions if used for long periods of time. I also feel that it is good to socialize, it keeps people sane and able to work together. We can not get ahead without people working together, today it is all about me, not about us. And when a politician says us, that is usually not the truth, they are just trying to get elected.

At least Trump is honest, he says me and I a lot when referring to things that go right in his policies, we can plainly see he is out for himself. It is the sneaky ones I dislike, the ones that try to make us believe they are out for us while lining their pockets.

Enough about politics, if politics and the safety delusion were not so entangled, I would not even mention it. Fear mongering is destroying our society, the government and media should not be blowing everything out of proportion because of their desire for personal gaines and prestige.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:04 AM
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I'll die when it's my time to go, but then again, I have faith. God has my back. Consequently I don't need to fear death itself, only maybe the means of dying. Some ways to exit this life are downright unpleasant.

But yeah, so much of what seems to drive folks these days is fear of death. Vegans and vegetarians are all about telling you how you'll die if you don't follow their dietary prescription. They seem offended if you say that you would like to enjoy the life you have. Or they cringe at the idea that something must die in order for them to eat -- fear of death.

Seatbelt and helmet laws that save you from yourself ... so you won't die.

All the COVID stuff was supposed to be about slowing spread, not saving us from death, but now it's all about people not dying.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko
It's funny you mentioned seatbelts, saved my life last night after rolling my car.

Take your time with things, theres other living things sharing the same world (and road) as you. If its snowing and border freezing temperatures, let people climb the ramp onto the highway, don't blast your hi beams and tailgate to get them moving. One patch of black ice is all it takes to send someone plummeting off the side of the hill.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:19 AM
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People have been misled that they can outsource everything to someone else. They think they can let their favorite talking head on the idiotbox do their research and thinking, let other men protect them from the baddies, let other men take care of all the food, it goes on and on. Can't waste time, got important things to do like watch their favorite children's game on the idiotbox or beat up the imaginary baddies on the xbox or whatever. Can't waste time on thinking and learning valuable skills.

Because there are some immunocompromised people out there, we are all expected to lower our enjoyment and quality of life to protect them. Because there is one kid allergic to peanuts, no kid is allowed to eat peanutbutter and jelly sammiches. Always the masses expecting to adapt their life to the lowest common denominator. And forget about meritocracy, that makes some people feel bad, everyone passes for just showing up once in a while.
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posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Nivhk

Oh, I'm not saying wearing a seatbelt or helmet isn't a good idea. I'm just saying that it's also not the government's job to save us from ourselves.

The state doesn't really have a compelling interest if the measure doesn't protect others from me because I might violate their rights. If I decide to be an idiot and not wear a belt or helmet, then the only one who directly suffers is me. Contrast that with a murder law where the intent is to recognize that I directly violated another person's right to life by arbitrarily taking that life away. In that case, the law recognizes my violation of the rights of another.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I think modern people have become disconnected
People have been willing to give up so many of their freedoms and have adjusted how they live to such a dramatic degree all because of fear and fake virtue. One of the most ludicrous examples I saw here in Australia was a new rule which means that Surf Lifeguards won't be performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, instead they will use an oxygen mask. Are you telling me people who risk their life for a living are that scared of Covid-19? What about the people on the verge of dying, you think they really care more about a flu-like virus?


“If someone is pulled from the water and mouth to mouth could save them (young child etc) I would be doing the mouth to mouth to save a life, that would haunt you forever if you knew you could save someone but were told not to,” one person said on Facebook.

Anger as Surf Life Savers won't be performing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation during the summer


I think what they are referring to are the changes made in the new approved technique for CPR, which is not that new, and has been in place well over two years before COVID.

The new thought process is that blowing air into the lungs, serves little purpose if the blood is not being adequately circulated. So the new technique is more about compressions and circulating than breathing. Unless of course the heart has not stopped.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 11:28 AM
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People in developed countries tend to be weak and frail of mind. They don't think for themselves and don't know how to deal with traumatic experiences.

That will be their downfall.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I disagree, it isn't just two camps. You are just using that to help prove your point.

I'm guessing that, just like in politics, the majority is somewhere in the middle of the two extreme "camps" you came up with.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko
Oh no, I wasn't disagreeing with you or anything like that, just tickled me that my first thread I opened today mentioned something I was thanking last night.

I think the issue is more of devaluing human life then it is bridging for a community. Seriously, the next time you get road rage, analyze, is their car in working shape? Is it worse off then yours? Are they having a mental breakdown (maybe from laid off, over worked from Covid). Theres multiple factors in why someone may be worse off then you at the time.

I think people need to connect more on a level then social media is ever capable of.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 03:28 PM
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This morning I saw a Dr. on mainstream news, saying the places with increased corvid numbers are the ones that were heavily regulated, lock downs and masks. They have to get the virus we all will probably get this flu and it will go through the population like they always do.
The effort to prevent that has prolonged the illness process.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy

Son's school district just updated their protocols. Even though everything says cases are increasing in our area, a district of 21,000 students and just over 3,500 staff have had no incidents at all in 4 buildings and the rest have only had a case or two with those no longer active.

So they're going to a building by building, room by room decision making criteria instead of district wide gating. They're also looking at letting the secondary students return full-time face-to-face instead of half. First it will be the more special needs students, but they're looking at all of them pretty soon.

The only way the district plans to shut down all the way again is if we get a community wide shelter in place imposed from on high.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

You are so very right.

When humans are made fearful, when they are terrorized, what is certain is that in their highly emotional state their rational abilities are mostly gone.

This has been a very highly coordinated terror campaign run by the media and their masters.

Some have figured it out thankfully, but many are still too frightened to act rationally. Another factor is peer pressure regarding the wearing of masks.

The idea has been planted that wearing a mask is some sort of vicarious action, a selfless act done for the sake of protecting others.

Right out of Orwell IMO, or perhaps a Brave New World.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 03:59 PM
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I thought that it was all one big liberal hoax until I caught the bloody thing from one too many trips to Wetherspoons. I was very sick, could barely breathe and being a lone divorcee was unable to take care of myself. Fortunately, I was able to fly to the United States where I convalesced with my sister before deteriorating and ultimately
landing myself in hospital. I'm lucky to be alive. Everyday I thank God and President Trump of course for allowing me to fly to be with my sister and get the best treatment in the world.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: DougHole64

😂😂😂 I wish I could figure out what old member you are to come back and set up the best under the radar ATS trolling account going.

Or maybe it's the British humour, not really trolling, I'm not sure.

Thoroughly enjoyable.



posted on Oct, 26 2020 @ 04:34 PM
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When cowering in fear and denigrating those who aren't is the New Normal, we have a very serious problem going on. Other than refusing to acquiesce, and literally showing people via continuing to live life that it's not an inherent Instant Death to do so, I'm not sure how to get through to people. You cannot make someone open their eyes and ears, they will only turn into massive hypocrites and wail about being disrespected & forced, etc.


originally posted by: DougHole64
I thought that it was all one big liberal hoax until I caught the bloody thing from one too many trips to Wetherspoons. I was very sick, could barely breathe and being a lone divorcee was unable to take care of myself. Fortunately, I was able to fly to the United States where I convalesced with my sister before deteriorating and ultimately
landing myself in hospital. I'm lucky to be alive. Everyday I thank God and President Trump of course for allowing me to fly to be with my sister and get the best treatment in the world.


Congrats, you drew that Get Sick short straw. SOMEONE has to, for any illness. Now you know what it's like for the folks who draw that straw for the flu every year, and for regular colds --yes, regular non-covid colds even do that to people and you don't have to be immune-compromised or a geriatric invalid in the home to strike that stretch of bad luck, either. I think this is what people flat refuse to open their brains up to try to understand, it doesn't match their bias in any manner. Therefore, "ZOMG, it really was the microscopic devil!" takes over where common sense should have said, "Well #, my luck really sucked this time, didn't it?"



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