Brexit: UK Irish Border

originally posted by: purplemer
Eire needs no boarders

But there are borders. There is Northern Ireland, which is a part of the UK, and there is the Republic of Ireland. Two countries have a land, air and sea border which separates sovereign control.

Both the UK and Republic of Ireland politicians say they don't want border infrastructure, which are sentiments that are complementary to UK / RoI treaties, like the Common Travel Area and the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement, both of which have no EU involvement. Left up to themselves the border situation would have been resolved down the pub and before closing time.

The only people insisting on a change to this is the EU. To “protect” the rest of the EU, they (the EU) want a managed border. They (the EU) are playing games, which has exposed flaws in the Withdrawal Agreement, and which challenge the sovereignty of the UK. It is quite right the UK has sought to clarify the situation, irrespective of the protests from ignorant US politicians, whining and petulant EU bureaucrats and robotic Remainers.

a reply to: purplemer

I know about the troubles yes. Close the boarder and see.

Eire needs no boarders

Care to elaborate on this post?

See what?
Why no borders?

a reply to: Freeborn

How much elaboration do you need. If the UK invades a land they tend to want it back. That should not come as a surprise. Same as any other nation for example Scotland.

a reply to: purplemer

The majority of people in Northern Ireland wish to stay in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
As long as that is the case they will.
That is non-negotiable.

Post The Good Friday Agreement support had grown steadily, especially in traditonal Nationalist communities.

In The Republic anti-EU sentiment is growing - as it is in many areas of the EU - and with it a realisation that the UK is NOT the enemy.
The vast majority of people in The Republic of Ireland want exactly the same as those from Ulster; to just go about their business without interference from over-bearing Eurocrats and they recognise that the single biggest threat to peace in Ireland is the EU and its uncompromising attitude to the border between Northern Ireland and RoI.

Your sentimental claptrap is typical of the romantic nonsense that has been sold to the Irish people for far too long and they are beginning to see through it.

Please don't try to moralise to me about the injustices of yesteryear.
I'd lay a pound to a penny my connections to Ireland are a damn sight closer than yours its just they aren't as coloured by the propaganda both sides like to spout in order to spread their respective messages of hatred and intolerance and a realisation that no-one can live in the past and we have to move forward in as positive manner the best we possibly can.

As for Scotland: Scotland is NOT a conquered nation.
Scotland entered into The Union at Scotland's request.
To imply the Scottish people are a subjugated people is a gross insult to them.
The Scottish people have a far greater say on matters that affect them directly and on a daily basis than the vast majority of English people as has been so clearly shown during this current pandemic.

Its one of my pet hates when people imply things in posts but lack either the courage and/or conviction to voice what they really mean in a crystal clear manner.

a reply to: Midnite247

Nope, the British are putting in a failsafe mechanism that would allow them to control the border in the event of a no-deal brexit.

As things stand, under the current arrangement the European Union could use the exit agreement in order to force their rules on the border. Britain is simply blocking them from doing this. The new regulations would actually force an open border rather than a hard one.

"Nope, the British are putting in a failsafe mechanism that would allow them to control the border in the event of a no-deal brexit.

As things stand, under the current arrangement the European Union could use the exit agreement in order to force their rules on the border. Britain is simply blocking them from doing this. The new regulations would actually force an open border rather than a hard one."

I dont get the "nope" - Thats exactly what im saying , Britain IS putting in place a mechanism to control the border.

Your wrong there.
The EU could enforce the exit agreement to force a N/S border. Britain is NOT blocking them from doing this - they are FORCING the, to do this, thereby washing their hands of any blame. The UK wont force an open border, theyll just force the EU to create a hard one.


a reply to: AaarghZombies

ANY poll (conservative/labor/liberal/unionist/nationalist) favours devloution letting northern ireland rule themselves.
The UK dont want any part of that but their locked in liked a chinese finger puzzle.
I dont know what decade/century your refering to.
a reply to: purplemer

a reply to: Midnite247

It wasnt that long above the British enjoyed using it to train their soldiers in urban combat.

a reply to: Midnite247

ANY poll (conservative/labor/liberal/unionist/nationalist) favours devloution letting northern ireland rule themselves

The majority of people in Northern Ireland want devolved power in Stormont whilst remaining part of The Union.
And as long as that is the case thats exactly what will happen.

The EU are simply trying to stir the # because they are nasty, petty and vindictive and would happily see a return to The Troubles rather than compromise and have a peaceful transistion.

Devolved power whilst remaining part of the union? is a contradiction.

On point - from the original op, that the UK is trying to force the EU to enforce border controls by stealth is growing. Pivoting away from the republican/unionist issue by redirecting the issue to international criminal gangs smuggling across the border, to achieve the same result, is a desperate attempt to redefine the border issue.
We're not stupid, and any progression on this will be met with force, whether political, protest, or other.

Again, the UK is attempting pontious pilate on the irish border issue, in an effort to force EUs hand to force Ireland to implement rules they want to avoid.
If you have sheep in your field, and your neighbor has sheep in his field, someones building that fence.
Who blinks first?

www.irishtimes.com...

a reply to: Freeborn

originally posted by: Midnite247
Again, the UK is attempting pontious pilate on the irish border issue, in an effort to force EUs hand to force Ireland to implement rules they want to avoid.

There has always been a porous border between the RoI and Northern Ireland.

Even during the Troubles terrorist scum were able to travel relatively freely, often with the connivance of the RoI.

The concern about smuggling and other criminality can be solved by the UK and RoI working together to fight crime, but sadly even base-level cooperation is EU silliness as bizarrely they have incorporated security and crime-fighting as part of their view of a trade deal! It seems the RoI will only be allowed to tackle cross border crime if the EU permit it!

a reply to: Midnite247

Devolved power whilst remaining part of the union? is a contradiction.

Why?
It seems to be working.

Please explain why its a 'contradiction'?

No-one over here in the UK wants hard border controls.
No-one in The Republic wants hard border controls.

The EU is insisting on hard border controls.

Left to our own devices this would have been resolved a long time ago but its EU intransigence and shear bloody mindedness that has prevented it.

As far as I'm aware UK and RoI police, anti-terror and other related agencies have built up good working relations over the last 20 years or so and are quite effective in their dealing with criminal activities.

The UK still shares many common interests with the RoI and the EU and its important for all involved that relations remain good and we co-operate closely where these mutual interests are concerned.
EU reticence threatens to jeopardise that.

And as paraphi rightly points out, what any of this has to do with a Trade Deal is baffling and left to ourselves we could easily resolve these issues relating to policing criminal activity etc.

Discontent with the EU is spreading and unless it starts showing a more flexible approach it is going to become a thing of the past - not a prospect that would sadden me personally but.......