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The competely false idea that the Nazi's were lefists and that the next Hitler will be one too

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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:07 PM
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I can't believe this even needs to be said but I keep seeing this blatant lie that the Nazi's were leftists because they had the word "Socialist" in their name (while conveniently forgetting that National is right before that). Only those wishing to rewrite history and reality itself would make this argument either out of pure ignorance or out of malice for political gain. Here's an interview with Hitler himself where he EMPHATICALLY PROCLAIMS that Marxism and the Nazi's are complete opposites of each other. I've copied and pasted the relevant parts.

www.theguardian.com...


This edited interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck took place in 1923. It was republished in Liberty magazine in July 1932

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

The slums," he added, "are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth, of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration.

"We want a greater Germany uniting all German tribes. But our salvation can start in the smallest corner. Even if we had only 10 acres of land and were determined to defend them with our lives, the 10 acres would become the focus of regeneration. Our workers have two souls: one is German, the other is Marxian. We must arouse the German soul. We must uproot the canker of Marxism. Marxism and Germanism are antitheses.

"In my scheme of the German state, there will be no room for the alien, no use for the wastrel, for the usurer or speculator, or anyone incapable of productive work."


Hitler speaks about Marxism with such disdain he sounds like a Trump supporter.

Which brings me to my next point.

This is an excerpt from an episode of Red Ice Radio where Palmgren interviews Dennis Wise, a man who denies the holocaust, is very sympathetic to Adolf Hitler, and created the documentary, "Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told". During the course of the interview, Wise presents the Jews as a corrupting and dangerous influence, as troublemakers who got the U.S. into World War I, as part of a communist conspiracy to take over Germany - their internment is defended as anti-communism.

Read this and THEN tell me which side is creating the next Hitler.



Host: "You had a kind of world in Berlin that was filled with debauchery, promiscuity and prostitution. It was kind of a cesspool of immortality with all the drugs and everything else. It was something that was spread all over Germany. Do you believe that was a tactic to break down the German people? Where did all these influences come from and why did this center in Berlin?"

Dennis: "Well I think it's a tactic that's going on today. Certainly in Berlin at the time was the center of debauchery in Europe. People would come from all over Europe because it was so cheap. Ten American dollars could buy you anything. Anything in the perverted sex world. Pedophilia, child prostitution, bestiality. You name it. Berlin was the center of it all. Homosexuality, it was a haven. Munich was more of a national socialist right wing type of center. Where Berlin was left wing., more communist. Certainly Hitler said this. "As soon as I come to power, whats going on in Berlin, I will stop". And he did and this kind of drove a lot of people out. Mainly the Jewish people, the nightclub owners, etc. Actors and actresses who left for America.And if you want a comparison today, I suppose Hollywood is the place you'd compare it to. Where Satanism, drugs, prostitution, debauchery goes on in that place. And Hitler was against all that. He cleaned up Berlin and eventually cleaned up Germany. To the point where families could walk the streets of Berlin. Before it wasn't safe. These are not actions of an evil man. This is a man who loves his country and loves the people in his country."





Host: "Let's just tackle some of the other myths along the way as well. I've heard other stories. That Hitler was basically in on it, he was a Rothschild agent, his mom was really a Rothschild. There were things along the way here that occurred, yes, he was intent on helping to destroy Germany by bringing them into war. There's a number of versions and variations here. Again this stems from an idea that it's an impossibility to assume that he was genuine. So we need to reach for any other explanation we can to wrap our head around the mythology we've been given afterwords. I think that's something that occurs, when you get the false story and you try to fit reality into that false story, you have to start changing the objective to have it make sense. What would you say concerning those rumors and conspiracies?"

Dennis: "I've always said that actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter what anybody says or what anybody proposed to believe to be done. The fact is, the actions taken and the actions that Hitler took a little bit earlier, were up to this point, to break the Versailles treaty. Everything he did was to break that demonic treaty. As far as the Rothschild's go, he was the only person ever to have jailed a Rothschild. When he entered Austria, I can't remember which Rothschild it was, he actually put him in jail. They ransomed him out at the end of it all. So where they're getting this thing about the Rothschild's, it's misinformation. It's similar to the occult thing you mentioned early on. Which I'm sure we'll be discussing a little bit later. But all these actions speak louder than any words than I can speak. Up to this point, you've got him changing the banking system, you've got him abolishing usury and once the Anschluss comes along, he arrests a Rothschild. What does that tell you?"

Host: "It tells you he's in deep doodoo with the rest of the world. Or those seeking to rule the world with an iron first, they're going to turn against Germany at that point, right?"

Dennis: "Exactltly. He's certainly not one of them."


continued below...




posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:11 PM
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Host: "We're basically going to continue in the timeline here. As we've been doing and try to lead up to the war. Let's tackle the issue of the hatred against Jews. We have a lot of speeches wher e Hitler and others talk quite openly about what they call "The Jewish Problem". What was really going on here. Is ther ea wayy you can detail to us if Hitler hated all the Jews? If so, why? There are other rumros about the transfer agreement that there were suggestions of how there was an agreement to try ato get the Jewish population out of Germany. There was consequent situations where they were even given moeny and everything else and at some point he was stabbed in the back basically. What happened there?"

Dennis: "This has been suppressed and not a lot of people know about it. What happened was the Zionists, after World War I, had done a deal with Great Britain with the Balfour Treaty where they werre given Palenstine after they got America involved in World War I. Another subject people didn't realize. Once they got this, the Zionists then wanted Jews from around the world to go into Palenstine and create what is today Israel. At the same time, it served the purpose of Hitler and National Socialist Germany. He felt that the Jewish influence was totally against the culture of German society. Where the arc was different. The movies were more sexually explicit. Homosexuality and such was always involved. So all this decadence was against German culture or tradition. So he made a deal with the Zioists. They'd be getting Jews in Israel and he made sure all the Jews left Germany, moved to Palestine and he set up a banking system where all the belongings would be transferred over into Palestine when they arrived. So this myth of Jews leaving Germany with nothing a a suck on their shoulder was blown apart with the transfer agreement. This was going on right up to World War II, still, in 1939. When other forces take over. But does this sound like an evil man?"

Host: "It sounds like there was a clear situation where we have an opposition and conflicts based on cultural, religious and ideological differences. Where it seems they reached a point where they said "For us to be able to live in peace and not be at each other;s throats all the time and go to war with each other. Let's try and sort something out here". Would that be a fair assessment you think?"

Dennis: "That's true but don't forget that Jews have been in Germany for quite some time. Even friends of Adolf Hitler were Jewish. His driver was Jewish. Many of his army was Jewish. They were happy with the culture. What Germany was and always has been. That wasn't a problem. But the Jews who wanted to leave for their own religion, for their own culture, that was their opportunity. Apart from the ones in Berlin, who left at their own accord anyway."

Host: "I want people to understand this as well. This is not something that is really unusual. If you look at this objectively, truthfully, we can see there's a lot of places where the Jewish population have been expelled from in Europe for many, many years. Actually since the 1100s all the way up to the 1800s. We've mentioned this number before but over 1200 different locations in Europe. Think of that as you will but this was just something that was common, as you say. Right?"

Dennis: "It's a historical fact. As someone once said to me, "It can't always be the landlord." What's the problem?"

Host: "Right. Exactly. How much are you just going to only continue to blame the European? Is there no reason for this? Is it just out of the blue psychotic European behavior?"

Dennis: "Exactly. All those nations that did it previously, there must have been a reason."

Host: "Yea. There's a lot to discuss. So one last thing, did Hitler want to kill all these people? Gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, communists and everyone else who basically didnt agree with them? Did he want to murder all of those people and did he want to build up a war machine that ultimately would burn all these people on fire?"

Dennis:"As much as people have looked into it and as many forgeries have appeared over the years, there have never been any such proof or written documentation of people or Hitler thinking that way. Certainly the camps were brought in. Especially after the Reichstag fire. Communists were rounded up. Enemies of the state were rounded up. People we thought were detrimental to the German culture such as the Gypsies and some of the Jews. Mainly the Jews were communists anyway, and the gets confusing. So at the end of the day, has he done anything any different to what any other country would have done, looking after their own nation?"

Host: "Did he murder a lot of these people. Did they end up in jail? What happened to them?

Dennis:"Well, I haven't found any evidence of any mass murders. Certainly I can't denounce- Some mistreatment might have gone on, it would be naive not to think so.But at the end of the day, these are communists who wanted to take over the country and just like in any other prison, in any other country, they'll be kept under lock and key."

Host: "Yea it's a defensive, strategical approach basically.If you have a situation where you know some people want to overthrow your country and despite you saying "This is just my politics, leave me alone buddy" free speech, whatever. How long are you going to continue to allow that behavior until it poses a real threat to your nation and your people? What I'm getting at, and I'm not justifying everything of course, but you have to defend yourself in a situation like this. This is a warfare tactic, right?"

Dennis:"Yea because a lot of these people were instigators and certainly there would have been outside forces willing to help them overthrow the government. It's that simple. As goes on since then and even today."

Host: "Especially today. A lot of corrosive forces in the world. Look at the state of the world as well. After two world wars, after the immense fighting between the European peoples, primarily, look at what it has gotten us today. Look at where we are. Is this what we were fighting for? Is this the peaceful situation that we wanted to achieve in Europe? Where we're handing everything away and the multiculturalism is destroying our heritage and our culture. Is this what millions of people, if you want to look at it this way, were sacrificed for?"

Dennis:"It's true. That is exactly what happened."


This sounds like the EXACT logic used here on ATS when talking about liberals.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:13 PM
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Hitler was good at using the Hegelian Dialectic to make people think something was true when it wasn't 😃


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:14 PM
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It's an inconvenient fact that the left are behaving exactly like fascists. The right aren't doing that, left are.

The nazi's were socialists. It's fact.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:15 PM
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Antifa in coordination with the Democrat party is the organized group that most resembles the Nazi party, during my lifetime.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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Dems are the ones using and threatening violence against those who don't agree with them.

Tell you what, do an experiment.

Wear a MAGA hat around for a week.

Wear a Biden hat around for a week.

See which hat gets you spit on and your teeth knocked out.
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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: HighasAkite

Good luck.

ATS is Republican. And Republicans feelings don’t care about facts. They’d rather believe some obviously false story that paints the left in a bad way than to accept the reality of history.

Anyone who disagrees with me, pick up Mein Kampf. Tell me what Hitler said about the socialists and left wingers at the time. There’s an entire chapter where he talks about donning socialist colors and using their language to draw them into meetings so they could either convert them or put them on a list.

That right wingers not only believe but will argue with you about something so easily proven false shows you exactly who they are. Facts over feelings was projection the entire time.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:18 PM
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Yes, because Hitler famously argued for free speech and was regularly physically attacked for it.

Hitler famously welcomed LGBT members into their party in order to form a broader coalition.

Hitler embraced the Jews and recognized Jerusalem as the rightful capitol of Israel.

Yep..Totally just like that Trump guy.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:28 PM
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Oh please, this is just another weak "Trump = Hitler" thread.

Throwing Nazi party affiliation against an American liberal Republican is weak as hell.

Modern leftists have much more in common with bolsheviks than Nazis and Antifa are Vladimir Lenin's "useful idiots" not Hitler's Brown Shirts.

Europe's left/right dynamics are not the same here. Socialism, national or otherwise, is a left wing idea by the American spectrum. None of our right wingers bear any resemblance to most of Europe's "right wing" parties. Including Hitler's social-fascists.

At the end of the day the analogy simply doesn't apply either to Donald Trump or Joe Biden. We aren't early 20th century Germans.


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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:32 PM
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That is disputed. Hitler´s speech from 1934 what nazis believed:



-From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism.

Source: Adolf Hitler, Max Domarus. The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary. pp. 171, 172–73, 1934.

A quote from historian and Cambridge University professor, George Watson , which goes into Hitler being a socialist in much more detail than I ever could:



It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical.

-Prof. George Watson, 1998
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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:32 PM
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The NAZI's were neither left nor right but communitarian which is culturally and economically about the group/nation.




posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:37 PM
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Some socialist policies that the nazis had which is almost something straight out of Bernie Sanders political program:

- public health services
- public social insurance
- price and wage control from 1936
- private ownership was in practice non-existing, as Ludwig von Mises, as true ownership of the means of production resided within the German government

-MM



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: HighasAkite

secretly some users here on ats sympathize with hitlers 'ideas'.

i also think about 10% of the world's population follow this ideology or are at least susceptible to such ideas. and someone like trump (intentionally or unintentionally) raises the hope that there will be a turning point in time that makes such dreams of a new/old world order realistic. islamists have the same dreams. such 'thoughts' can also be found among extreme leftists (anarchy).

islamic radicals and right-wing extremists hate liberalism, individualism, democracy, freedom and free market economy, the cornerstones of western societies.



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:41 PM
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Nice try Uncle Adolph - Of course it was called nationalist - if they had called it INAZI someone would have gotten wise to what was about to happen and stopped it cold.

Also the BS hitler sold to the sheeple is just that - he invaded countries and his workers faced widespread slaughter and death, as did the workers in everyone of his "liberated" conquests.

3-400 million people lost there lives and livelihood - it was the single biggest blow to the worker class in world history, only a large meteor or super volcano could have done more widespread death and destruction and since he was building nuclear weapons and delivery systems as fast as possible he clearly wanted to do more.

It doesnt matter what media, hitler or history says - had no one stopped him most people on earth would be dead from nuclear weapons, execution or gas attacks to name a few.
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posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:41 PM
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Prof. Jacob Leib Talmo, professor of Modern History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, that said that that Fascism billed itself "not only as an alternative, but also as the heir to socialism."

-MM



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:43 PM
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Hitler himself where he EMPHATICALLY PROCLAIMS that Marxism and the Nazi's are complete opposites of each other.


hitler was known to lie through his teeth.

and if you want to get down to it, both the hitler's national socialist german worker party and stalin's union of soviet socialist republics, just like mussolini were fascists.

they may have went about in different ways, but their goals were the same. hitler, stalin and mussolni wanted to be in control the ones calling the shots.

all three fit this definition to a tee. from websters


Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality


from Dictionary.Com



fascism [ fash-iz-uhm ]
noun
1.(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:43 PM
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You can call it Disneylandism - it's still just power for powers sake. There has never been a workers uptopia in any form of these ism's



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:44 PM
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What party does this most resemble. Hmm...



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:49 PM
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-MM



posted on Oct, 19 2020 @ 03:58 PM
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Yeah, because the right is all about nationalizing private industry. LOL



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