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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:15 PM
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We know the current - or soon-to-be - situation.

Pandemic. Mandatory vaccinations. Internment camps.

But I keep wondering, what's their endgame? What is their goal? Control? We're already getting f..ked and all we do is mostly bend over. Mostly, because there's some resistance that's only bound to get stronger. They know that if they'll keep pushing it, it'll backfire - otherwise they wouldn't be preparing those camps - yet they keep taking that risk. Why? Why is there a talk of periodic vaccinations (single shot won't be enough for them - and no, they don't really care about more money), when we don't even know how the pandemic will look like in a couple of months or a year? What is that vaccine actually for? Are they afraid of something?

Bear with me, since this is going to get pretty out there, pretty fast.

First, the soul. Unless you're an atheist and don't believe there's anything more to life than what's between being born and death, you most likely believe we all have a soul.

Second, our connection to the soul. People have been seeking to explore that connection for ages. Meditation is just one of many ways to do it, but it serves as a suggestion that perhaps that connection was weakened at some point in history, almost to the point of being severed. One may try to connect many dots here - ancient astronauts, Adam's apple from the Bible, junk DNA, the list goes on - but it isn't entirely crazy to think that we're much more than just flesh and bones, and we may be capable of much more than we realize.

Third, "newage BS". All those predictions about new era coming, about some cosmic event that will restore our connection with our true selves. With our soul.

What if it's not BS?

What if their goal is either to sever our connection to our soul entirely, or to prevent it from being fully restored? What if repeated vaccinations are supposed to act as a shield of sorts against what's coming? Shield noone sane would want, but they're going to try to force it upon humanity because otherwise they would lose all their power? If that's the case, what's the timetable? Because there has to be one, and at some point they'll start running out of time.

Whatever your faith is, you'll probably agree that your soul is a direct connection between you and that higher power, call it God or whatever else, doesn't matter. Personally I think that all souls are connected, in a sort of tree-like structure, with the root being God or whatever you wanna call it. That doesn't matter either, just like it doesn't matter that I'm not even a christian, when mark of the beast comes to mind. Think about it, what fits it better than being completely disconnected from your soul?

To be fair, I don't think complete disconnect is possible, it should kill our physical selves (or turn them into zombies). With that in mind, I think their goal is to prevent our connections from being fully restored. Christians would probably say it's like turning your back on God trying to give you a hand to get up from your knees. What's really in those vaccines, what technology is behind it, as well as is that effect reversible once you'll stop taking periodic vaccinations - those are all valid questions.

Also, fear is the last thing I wanna spread here. Still, it's all worth thinking about. What if it's not a bunch of BS? In such case, those folks, saying they'll rather die than take that vaccine? They may not be crazy at all.

Feel free to disagree, but kindly take your ridicule elsewhere.




posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: jedi_hamster

Great thread, I have some thoughts, will respond more fully later.

( Note to self Georgia Guidestones 500 million )



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:35 PM
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I respect your view and I do not ridicule it. I think this kind of speculation, along these lines, is important. So let me say without fully committing to it, I find your line of thought worth considering.

We tend to think of the soul as a totally incorporate thing, not reachable through the body. It's comforting to think that whatever they do to our bodies, they can't touch our souls.

But what if they can? What if they can reach into our bodies via a chip, a vaccine, or something like radio waves? In this case you focus on a vaccine.

So do they want to harvest our soul, or some kind of spiritual essence, such as what is occasionally termed "loosh"? Such theories are indeed often ridiculed but I imagine this is in part because how profoundly disturbing and unsettling the possibility is. It is so terrifying that most would rather turn away in ridicule or forced boredom.

Orwell's 1984 was in part so horrific (and this is rarely mentioned) because in the end they managed to get inside Winston Smith and change not only his mind but what might be considered his soul. There is a scene in the book where he is speculating with his girlfriend that they can torture you to the point you will confess anything, but they can't really get "inside" you. Orwell systematically destroys this comforting illusion and shows in great detail how Winston is broken not only in body and mind, but in inner self. The last line of the book, demonstrating the completeness of Big Brother's triumph, is one of the most chilling in all of English literature.

I believe the drive for power leads to a further thirst for power. As orwell explains the logical endgame:

"How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?“

Winston thought. “By making him suffer”, he said.

“Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy – everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.

"Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

George Orwell, 1984

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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: jedi_hamster

Interesting theory, and doesn't necessarily go against any of the patterns being exposed.

Hmmm....




posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Never Despise

If they wanted to fully separate you from God the Creator, altering your dna until you are no longer his creation is logical.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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I'll give you my take. Be aware that's based on what I consider to be an accurate narrative in the judeo-christian canon. And what you might call the nexus of the story is covered in chapters 10 and 11 of Genesis.

That part of scripture tells us about an event that happened on the plains of Shinar, which is the southern region of Mesopotamia. God had mandated that mankind should go out from their central place of concentration, multiply, fill and subdue the earth. It was a plan whose fulfillment would have brought each individual into a fullness of personal growth and service to the creator's glory, but mankind in his corrupt nature would have none of it.

Instead of submitting to the mandate of the creator, they sought out among themselves a man who could be to them as God. This man is named, in the canon, Nimrod. He attempted to place himself in the throne that only belongs to the sovereign creator of the universe. And men obeyed and worshiped him instead of the one true Creator who is wise and forever worthy to e praised and worshiped.This was the first full manifestation of the spirit of antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 and 4 speak of one who is:


the rebellion ... and the man of lawlessness ... the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


This is the spirit of rebellion and pride in mankind that exalts itself against God, that wants to displace the creator and become the sovereign. It seeks to have complete dominion and control over humanity in order to defeat God's purpose in his creation. It was a necessary evil that had to be dealt with and confronted in creation so that creation would be redeemed from this curse, and that is the process that we are working through now. This spirit of antichrist has always been in the world. Paul calls it " the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience." (Ephesians 2:2) We refer to it as Satan, the devil. Being a prince, the spirit is subject to the authority of a higher and sovereign power, as princes always are. In the Gospel of Luke 4:6-7 he confesses himself as he attempts to temp Christ,



“To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. 7 If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.


That is to say that what authority the spirit of antichrist has been given has been granted by a higher power for a higher end. This spirit however, still wants to undo that higher power, to usurp control over creation, and the best and really only way to do that is to usurp power over the crown jewel of creation the on element that was created "in God's image," mankind.

So, what you are seeing is a spiritual battle of epic proportions. The Bible is an epic tale, more epic and more powerful than anything written by Tolkien or Martin or Herbert. It more epic because it is broader. It is deeper. It is higher. And, mostly, because it is not fantasy; it is real!

That's all I can write for the moment as I have things to attend to and my wife will soon be giving me the stink-eye for standing here at my computer typing instead of helping around the house. If you want to discuss more, feel free to PM me.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:51 PM
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The thought I had was depopulation by vaccine perhaps. I read about tetanus shots being given to women in africa (maybe was kenya) that rendered them sterile. Odd because tetanus is kind of old hat vaccine wise. Nothing would be worse for women in a third world country with no safety net so horrible if true. Not sure the veracity of that story but been thinking that a vaccine could deliver such a thing to an entire generation worldwide. That and social distancing, masks etc. not very conducive to dating and reproduction. I have never thought controlling population a terrible thing but it needs done with full
and understood consent to be ethical.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:54 PM
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One of my great fears is that the transformation they seek would be ongoing. Not a one-time thing like killing you or taking something, but tormenting you again and again. A process without end. As orwell said, the aim of torture is torture. What could be more horrifying than torture that has no logical end? There is nothing you can say or do to stop it, no final goal...just ongoing torture for its own sake.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
― George Orwell, 1984. 



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: jedi_hamster

Great thread, I have some thoughts, will respond more fully later.

( Note to self Georgia Guidestones 500 million )

Note to you :
Erase note to self as Georgia Guidestones were for a different time and a different reason.
Read them and understand rather than watching YouTube videos.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 08:57 PM
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I read the book and know how the story ends.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: jedi_hamster

They want chaos and destruction.

This is the harvest of souls.


In 1917 Rudolf Steiner Foresaw a Vaccine That Would ‘Drive All Inclination Toward Spirituality Out of People’s Souls’

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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: jedi_hamster

Here is my adopted idea on this:


...our connection to the soul. People have been seeking to explore that connection for ages. Meditation is just one of many ways to do it, but it serves as a suggestion that perhaps that connection was weakened at some point in history.


Naw, that's Atman. If you are like many Buddhists, you hold to what my avatar says, Anatta, which is summed up as "life is phenomenal" (is experienced by 5 senses)

Meditation for some contemplates the nature of behavior itself. In the case of myself the nature of human preference for divinity was contemplated like a 60's kid on hallucinogenic drugs coming to the inevitable epiphany.


What if their goal is either to sever our connection to our soul entirely, or to prevent it from being fully restored? What if repeated vaccinations are supposed to act as a shield of sorts against what's coming?


There is a Greek word called "Nomos".


In sociology, nomos (plural: nomoi) is a habit or custom of social and political behavior that is socially constructed and historically specific. It refers not only to explicit laws but to all of the normal rules and forms people take for granted in their daily activities.


Using the US as reference that nomos is changing. From atheism to ancient aliens, to all the new age ideas you can think.  And much to the chagrin of the more devout. That is just the melting pot of other beliefs (transculturation) appealing to the many who, like Buddha above, took issue with Atman.

It is uncomfortable for some, but more related to ideological diversity, and not a singular agenda to usher in the reign of the Antichrist using vaccines, socialism, and internment camps.

 Ever since Father Lemaitre coined the concept of "The Big Bang", science, and an empirical approach has became ingrained in the nomos of the West. 

It's no longer witch burnings based on hysterical apparitions of tripping girls. Today we understand ergot poisoning and the effects of LSA. We wouldn't brand Galileo a heretic where the inquisition nomos did. 

To go back further the shift from polytheism through monolatry and into monotheism is a lot like the shift happening now.  We are in the intermediary between the spiritual and phenomenal as a worldview.

Europe is way ahead in this regard if you look at the data of irreligiousity. 


Whatever your faith is, you'll probably agree that your soul is a direct connection between you and that higher power.


Only in the West and Half the East.  It's that other half of the East that is partly deemphasizing the metaphysical concepts of scripture.

But ultimately still finding beauty and even cosmic order in an imperfect world. Plus honor and integrity transcends all metaphysical or empirical stances, as do the mammalian empathetic connections that drive of all that imperfect beauty. 

IMO, even if there is no absolute soul believed in, a person with still be "good" and subject to the consequences of lacking respect or responsibility. Still acting in the essence of god, even if that god is no longer anthropomorphized or even believed in.
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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:12 PM
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Appreciated



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Never Despise

for a change of tone to more optimistic one, i would suggest reading Monroe's books about OOBE. kinda relevant to the topic at hand as well.

i don't think they can really harm the soul - it's both here and not here, and i think that in the most fundamental way, it's truly immortal and can't be destroyed.

that being said, parts of it - meaning, single person's soul - probably can be captured. perhaps tormented. forced or tricked into submission. scientologists would probably have something to say about it. another dot to connect are tales about aliens on the moon, light at the end of the tunnel and loved ones/saint figures seen after death being just another layer of manipulation, and so on. it's a vast topic and questioning the nature of your reality is probably as valid after death as it is here.

but my assumption is, if they would have a technology to remove (pointless, read: zombies) or otherwise control our souls, they wouldn't need such primitive delivery system as vaccines. harvesting energy is an interesting take, but such energy would have to be somehow transmitted - unless it's not bound to harvest the energy since they can do that remotely, but it's meant to increase energy output. if they're feeding on fear and pain - increase that. nightmares perhaps? no idea.

whatever their goal is, they're not being honest about it. it's all too orchestrated and at the same time, too risky. people will oppose mandatory vaccinations, yet it's all going that way. for what, money? that makes no sense. people capable of organizing such massive operation may just print as much money as they need, no effort and risk needed. no, this is something much bigger. something they're willing to risk everything for.

as for Orwell, people would like to think it's impossible, but just look at where humanity is today. our reliance on technology and money turning us into slaves of artificial constructs prevents us from reconnecting with nature and, in turn, with ourselves. in huge part, humanity is itself responsible for its weakened connection with its soul. behaviour of some groups of people speaks volumes and can be itself considered inhumane. and perhaps that's what they're after?

destroying humanity from the inside out. preventing people from realizing we're all One, preventing the soul from taking over, and instead destroying as much of our connection to it as possible without turning us into zombies. if the soul is what makes us act in a humane way, if the soul is the source of our feelings, then the soul is their enemy number one.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:28 PM
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Thinking along these lines brings me to another possibility.

Since the first law of thermodynamics, states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, that it can only be transferred or changed from one form to another.

Perhaps it is the energy they are seeking. They don't need our bodies if they plan to reap our souls.

The questions are:
1. Do they have the ability to harvest our souls?

2. If so, how would that be done?

3. What would they do with our soul energy?

And last but not least,

4. If we are all gone, what would they have to live for?

Just thinking out loud.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: jedi_hamster

They want chaos and destruction.

This is the harvest of souls.


In 1917 Rudolf Steiner Foresaw a Vaccine That Would ‘Drive All Inclination Toward Spirituality Out of People’s Souls’

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thanks for the link, wasn't aware of him.

i partially agree, with the exception of two details - one, children aren't the primary target, at least for now, and i don't think the hidden part of the vaccine will work only on them. second, it's probably less of a mind control thing directly. we don't know how our body connects with our soul, but weakening that connection is most likely the best way to prevent people from seeking spirituality - since they won't be able to achieve it then, and they shouldn't feel anything originating from their soul, removing the inclination to search for it.

wether the vaccine will do its work over time (hence requiring multiple vaccinations and probably working best in children), or it's just meant to be a shield against some external stimuli, that's anyone's guess. personally i think external stimuli scenario is better, since it implies a timetable and all one needs to do is stay alive without getting vaccinated until their time runs out.

one way or another, yeah - if you value your soul, don't take the vaccine.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: jedi_hamster
Since the first law of thermodynamics, states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, that it can only be transferred or changed from one form to another.


food for thought



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 09:56 PM
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jedi-hamster just wanted tom say I appreicate your thoughtful post.....I am not making fun of you and I don't see anyone else doing it either.......I am glad to see that...maybe there is hope after all

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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 10:04 PM
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The plan is to regain power,
and never ever relinquish it again.
Ever.
S&F



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 10:05 PM
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Hope is subjective.
One must have faith.



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