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Being apolitical in a hyper-partisan era

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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Does Adbusters ring a bell?




posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: AutomateThis1

Ad-busters? Ah yes. Back in my day I recall the movements to help people ''wake up to the ''Black Friday'' rush to buy.
The idea at the time was to point out the fragility of the entire economic system that depended upon all those Xmas sales that basically saved such a large portion of the economy from running in the red.

But that was to no avail. Over the years it turned from just a ''big sale day'' to an annual ''EVENT'' and the thing to do. Go get that stuff. People camping out for days just to be the first in the rush once the doors opened.

Now of course it's a ''weekend'' and the big Cyber Monday stuff.
I love how they, the advertisers, have evolved. What once was just a sale was turned into an event. Now it has turned into a ''Shopping Experience.'' What an absolute crock.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's even worse when all of those deals you see on black Friday or cyber Monday, you can pick up at about oh 20-30 other times during the year if you pay attention. "I got this amazing TV for only $300!" Did you buy it because it was a TV you wanted and justified spending time in line to save the maybe $200 on it, or did you just buy it because "Holy crap! What a steal!"? Because if it's the latter, you've just wasted money you weren't going to spend in the first place. I've picked up a single thing on a black Friday sale in the last 5 years, it was discounted Playstation Plus yearly memberships that were half price. I was going to use them anyway, and it was the only time I had seen them discounted, so I picked a few years worth up. I didn't wait in line because it wasn't a hot ticket item, I got up at my normal time, walked in, made my purchase and walked back out.

On topic, I was apolitical for almost 20 years, I was hoping that I could stay that way (at a national level) for many more years to come. Now due to certain people saying that I'm a racist, sexist, etc. if I'm apolitical, congratulations, you've just turned someone political and not for your team.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

The only time i've done black friday was when i ran a call center. We had a budget of $1000 to buy gifts for the christmas raffle, and the deals were pretty good at the time (this was 15+ years ago). Got some cool stuff like a playstation portable for the grand prize. Had enough in the budget that all employees got something when all was said and done.

For my family, we shop throughout the year, cashing in on various sales etc. Wouldn't catch me dead out on a prime shopping day, with so many people around.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I used to be an activist in that movement. There's a decent amount of ideology I agree with them about. But more that I don't agree with, especially their methods.

It's surprisingly still a thing. There's even a magazine still. It's mostly just commentary about the "evils of capitalism" but it does do a good job of depicting what people around the world have to deal with in a real sense. There's a heavy left bias as would be expected, but every now and then there's a real gem where the author of a piece drops the pretense and gets honest about the real issues at hand.

The main reason why I brought it up though and the ironic part is that some odd years ago they started selling shoes and clothes with duct tape circles on them in opposition to wearing labels.

But... wearing them and participating in the movement is engaging in an activity that they fight against.

Their latest issue is "Whitehouse Siege"

www.adbusters.org...

The next movement is "Reoccupy"

Here is the newest reiteration of the shoe "Unswhoosher"
You can get this for the cheap price of $135.

Mmm.


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posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Never Despise

Choosing not to participate in the political madness is actually a very rational position to take. The difficult part is that politics impacts every part of our lives, whether we want it too or not. Everything from the codes that determine what you can do where you live, to how high taxes are, are all political.

Schools, roads, the laws that control us, all political. Who represents us determines the nature of the world we live in.

I'm a moderate independent and don't align with any party, but who is in power impacts me. I've been self- employed for nearly 35 years, which is as close to freedom as I can get. That means politics is something I can't ignore. Like now with Covid which has nearly destroyed me financially, political decisions have a huge impact on my ability to survive, so I'm forced to participate.

The very nature of the places where we live are political whether we like it or not.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

I"m making a guess here HYpnick but my guess is that it was the overly exuberant leftists that pushed you into being political for the ''other side''. Well, that makes sense. Those radicals have become so stupid that they don't even understand that their actions are having push back. Or maybe they just don't care.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: AutomateThis1

Yep. For me too. It was the gradual movement to materialism that overtook my original liberal leanings. How what I thought were common interests against advertising and materialism seemed to just go by the way as they adopted the techniques of those who I thought they were fighting against.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Only one side calling me a racist for trying to stay out of national politics. I vote at the local level, city council type stuff, because for the most part that's who is going to impact my life. Registered independent since 2000, and depending on the policies of the candidate running I've voted both sides of the aisle. Now however, since I wanted to stay out of the presidential or congressional races I've been deemed a racist by extremely short-sighted individuals. If you keep calling someone something long enough it will eventually push that person to retaliate, and my only form of retaliation at this point is to vote for the person they hate the most.

I can't blame every person on the left, because let's be frank, it's a very small portion of very loud individuals. I can't however in good conscience allow that very small group to gain more control of the federal government than they have. So I'll cast my vote for Trump, even though I don't particularly care for the man I do agree with some of his policies. Would I go have a beer with him, or most of his supporters? Nope. Yet I've never been called a racist or anything similar for wanting to be politically agnostic at the federal level by that group either. Come at me with policy and not rhetoric and maybe I would have voted a different way.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
... I actually spent over two decades tearing off the logos on pants and tee shirts and stuff. Ripping off the name of my tennies or taking a black marker and marking over the logos. ...


Wow ! You sure had a lot of t-shirts !!


Seems to me : folks firmly on either side of the fence, don't have a clear understanding of the fence, and the 'other side' .

Up here : the fence is not rickety-rackety at all !
It's more like those extra-wide spaces on the Great-Wall-of-China, where they film orchestras, and large dancing groups.
Solid, comfortable, and with outstanding views.
And sometimes the goofy monkeys on either side are mildly entertaining.





posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: Hypntick

My personal opinion is while everything was fine, most people could give a crap about politics. But in the last few years it seems that our existential dilemmas seem to me mounting up against us in a way that is forcing people to pay more attention to how we got in these predicaments. In this, a lot of people believe that they must get active ''right now'' while they are still very immature. Racism and calling people Nazis are simply easy things to do. Calling names. I see it here everyday.

Myself, call Trump names all the time, but for the most part refuse to do it with other folk.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: Never Despise
Does this worry you? It worries me. I'm taking a stand...for not taking a stand. I can't be the only one who feels this way...can I?


Yes, but I do believe your experience is just one facet of a much larger problem.

You adequately described what happens when an apolitical person encounters someone who has bought into the hyper tribalism of modern day politics. But its not a unique experience to apolitical people; I think it happens to everyone who has not bought into the hyper tribalism of modern day politics; even those who do take politics seriously just not triblisticly.

The problem is also self perpetuating; the more fervent the triblisticly attacks become the more they push people into a set tribe in order to escape or defend themselves from the attacks. I believe the tribalism will grow and grow until something important gets destroyed forcing people to reevaluate their actions.

I'm not apolitical; but I don't hold strictly liberal or conservative ideals; so during any given political discussion I could be discussing from a conservative or liberal point of view or even both. Its amazing how fast people will pull out the nonsense attacks that you detailed in your OP in order to dismiss others. Even members of my own family have dismissed my point of view with an angry "your just a Republican" or "your just a liberal" depending on who I might be talking to.

My rule of thumb of late is to only truly discuss politics with people who I think might be receptive to hearing a different point of view. For those I don't think can be receptive I just let them do most of the talking and I just agree to them alot.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 06:26 PM
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Damn. That's actually one of the reasons I quit being an activist for the left leaning groups. I was part of Rising Tide, Peaceful Uprising, some other groups, and had a hand in the Occupy Wallstreet movement.

I started seeing that the main action against cronyism was being obfuscated by anyone and everyone adding in their own reasons and Occupy Wallstreet became this ridiculous mess of being anything people wanted to complain about.

When I started mentioning that we should focus on the main objective of protesting against advertising and what we see now with highly personalized/targeted ads and essentially the brainwashing of convincing people to soend money on things that aren't needed, and arguing the merits of capitalism sans cronyism and suggesting that people who wanted to protest in the name of feminism, lgbtq+, socialism, and whatever else have their own protests I started getting a lot of hate.

So, I essentially "walked away" way back then. I tried to stay neutral for the longest, but time passed and now I find myself a proponent for the benefits of capitalism and socialism, and pointing out that the flaws aren't inherently from the systems themselves of such but how humankind's own greed and insatiable lust and desire use such systems for personal gain, and how they are coercively implemented.

I still consider myself an anarchist, but where I used to consider myself placed amongst the AnComs I find it much more beneficial to cohort amongst the AnCaps. They are much more fair and logical/rational in their approach to things, and even though they get a lot of crap for being supportive of "evil capitalism" from every other "Anarchist" they are against cronyism and the manipulation of capitalism that can cause suffering.

They are just more realistic in their understanding of the way people and the world works.

Where as AnCaps are more rational and pragmatic, socialists and wannabee communists are idealistic and shortsighted and don't think about how their policies and ways of implementing change can have negative repercussions.

These are of course just my observations.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: Never Despise

“If you can't do something smart, do something right.”

― Joss Whedon, Serenity



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Only one side calling me a racist for trying to stay out of national politics. I vote at the local level, city council type stuff, because for the most part that's who is going to impact my life. Registered independent since 2000, and depending on the policies of the candidate running I've voted both sides of the aisle. Now however, since I wanted to stay out of the presidential or congressional races I've been deemed a racist by extremely short-sighted individuals. If you keep calling someone something long enough it will eventually push that person to retaliate, and my only form of retaliation at this point is to vote for the person they hate the most.

I can't blame every person on the left, because let's be frank, it's a very small portion of very loud individuals. I can't however in good conscience allow that very small group to gain more control of the federal government than they have. So I'll cast my vote for Trump, even though I don't particularly care for the man I do agree with some of his policies. Would I go have a beer with him, or most of his supporters? Nope. Yet I've never been called a racist or anything similar for wanting to be politically agnostic at the federal level by that group either. Come at me with policy and not rhetoric and maybe I would have voted a different way.


I'm not directing this towards you, but what I've highlighted in bold is one way extremism is perpetuated. The most vocal and action oriented "leftists" either fail to realize that their actions cause what they "fight" against or know so and do so knowing that it will give them more to call people to arms about.

In my readings of history I've seen that for every extremist action from the right has been in response to left wing style actions. The right side of the political spectrum has always consisted of people who just want to be left alone and live life how they see fit. It's not until those who are along the left side of the political spectrum attempt to force change in the name of "progress" and go from being a nuisance to being a serious grievance that those on the "right" react.

The left is always complaining about something. The right is reactionary.

We can see that today. The "left" has for decades and even more so in the last couple of decades become more and more vocal and more and more action oriented. We are now seeing the reactionary side of the "right" come into play.

The only way for S to not HTF is if the "left" chills the F out. Then the right will merely grumble for a while and then go back to living life as they always had.

But the "left" wants the S to HTF, and through their actions more and more people on the "right" are beginning to say enough is enough.



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: Nothin

Terry has been on this planet for quite some time. I would hope he didn't still have undergarments from highschool in his dresser lol



posted on Oct, 17 2020 @ 06:46 PM
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Although I stand by what I wrote in this thread about being apolitical, I will note something I have noticed. When I was growing up, it seemed that the left was the side with a sense of humor, interested in freedom of expression, the party of the working-class, and generally more relaxed. The right seemed fairly humorless, wanted to reach into your bedroom, attracted tuxedo elites, and were associated with survalience and wanting to dust it up with Russia.

Now it seems like today's left is humorless, wants survalience, wants to pick a fight with Russia, attracts tuxedo elites, and is interested in what goes on in people's bedrooms. The right seems to have more of a sense of humor, have more tolerance for individual liberties, is the party of the common working man, and appears generally more relaxed.

I think I can note this and just shake my head at how things change without compromising on my apolitical stance. Not centrist -- apolitical. I just want to be left alone by both sides insofar as is possible.



posted on Oct, 18 2020 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: Never Despise

Things haven't changed. Your perception has.
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posted on Oct, 18 2020 @ 07:26 AM
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I’m with you. Not voting is a valid “vote of no confidence”.
I’m not voting for the first time in my life. I’ve voted in every election since 92.
Since 2012 and 2016, I’ve voted third party for the libertarian.

However, this time around it really doesn’t matter. And both choices are so bad. I’m sitting this out.
Either way we go this time, everyone looses.



posted on Oct, 18 2020 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Never Despise
Does this worry you? It worries me. I'm taking a stand...for not taking a stand. I can't be the only one who feels this way...can I?


I've been a Libertarian for some time so it's similar, if I tell someone Trump is an imbecile they automatically assume I support that cretin, Biden. Who cares what people say to you? Tell them to STFU and mind their own business.


Rabid Partisan hacks and extremists are the biggest danger to our country.
I wish we could pass out guns and ammo to both sides and box them in so they kill each other off and the rest of us can get on with our lives. I'm tired of hearing about Biden this and Trump that.



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