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How Democratic Party politicians really feel about Christians and Christianity

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posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies


...owner of the uterus...


That would be a woman. An adult human female. Only females have a uterus. Not all females have a uterus, but only females have a uterus. And the uterus is just one part of a reproductive system and process that makes reproduction possible. It is degrading and demoralizing to reduce people to body parts.


...(since men are having babies these days)...


No, they are not.

How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a "leg"? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.




posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Oh dear, kissing under the Viscum is a pagan practice, the druids used to do it.
Can someone answer me a very serious question, Christianity is following the dictats of Christ as recounted in the New Testament. Now the question,"please point out to me where in the Bible does Christ denounce abortions"?


Luke 1:41
“And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:”

A baby in the womb is sentient.

Exodus 21:22-25

“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.“

A baby is alive.

Exodus 20:14
“Thou shalt not kill.”

Do not take life.

Matthew 5:21,22

“21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire”

Jesus holds the commandment to a higher standard.



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posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



all religions are special

They are special to the people who cherish them, regardless of what that particular religion happens to be.



we legally favor those others and oppress the most

Depends on what oppression means.
If failure to allow a majority to discriminate in matters of housing, commerce, employment, and services is oppression of the majority in the majority's view, then perhaps a change in view point may be called for.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: pthena

Ah but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about scrubbing all references to one religion from everywhere but allowing all references to those others in the name of inclusion.

It's done on the assumption that since there are so many of that one religion that it just permeates everywhere even while actively being scrubbed and censored for fear it will offend and oppress.

This is the same mindset with racial oppression, gender issues, sexual orientation issues, etc., we work so hard at representing that we're scrubbing the "oppressive other".

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posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Oh dear, kissing under the Viscum is a pagan practice, the druids used to do it.
Can someone answer me a very serious question, Christianity is following the dictats of Christ as recounted in the New Testament. Now the question,"please point out to me where in the Bible does Christ denounce abortions"?


The bible also doesn’t denounce stealing cars, but we know that’s not a right action, don’t we? Do you really need the bible to give a yay or nay on every situation one might encounter? God allows the humans he created to think for themselves, and seems to think that we will be able to correctly reason out what is and isn’t right from the things He HAS told us and shown us.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pthena

Ah but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about scrubbing all references to one religion from everywhere but allowing all references to those others in the name of inclusion.

It's done on the assumption that since there are so many of that one religion that it just permeates everywhere even while actively being scrubbed and censored for fear it will offend and oppress.

This is the same mindset with racial oppression, gender issues, sexual orientation issues, etc., we work so hard at representing that we're scrubbing the "oppressive other".



It’s been going on for a long time.

Here’s some hippy Jesus freak music from the early ‘70s
to enjoy



👍



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pthena

Ah but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about scrubbing all references to one religion from everywhere but allowing all references to those others in the name of inclusion.

It's done on the assumption that since there are so many of that one religion that it just permeates everywhere even while actively being scrubbed and censored for fear it will offend and oppress.

This is the same mindset with racial oppression, gender issues, sexual orientation issues, etc., we work so hard at representing that we're scrubbing the "oppressive other".



It’s been going on for a long time.

Here’s some hippy Jesus freak music from the early ‘70s
to enjoy



👍


🤪. Good one, friend. 👍🏻

But do listen to the podcast episode. 💋



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.


Correct. They have used astronomical records, and some think he was likely born on September 11, 4BC.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.


Correct. They have used astronomical records, and some think he was likely born on September 11, 4BC.


His name was probably Yeshua too, I wonder how they got Jesus out of that? I had lots of time so I did a lot of research to find if he was real...he was a real person, but I am not actually convinced that it was Jesus who died on the cross. This is kind of off topic.

The Church back a long time ago wanted a holiday and thought it was bad to put in on December 21st because it was a pagan holiday but still wanted to have pagan's want to join the church so just made the holiday a few days off. There are writings from the church that someone translated that told this story, I think it was in the Catholic records or another big church long ago. Evidently the churches kept records of stuff like that, it was voted on by the elders to put it at December 25th. I may be a little off with this, it was about ten years since I did all that reading and it took me the better part of a month to read all the research that I could find. Santa has a different story behind it, originally there was no Santa.
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posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity.


Wait, what?

So putting up a fir tree, leaving cookies out for Santa and tongue kissing people under a piece of a Viscum album shrub are not Christian?

You got it.
Those are from pagan holidays.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: The2Billies

Just more and more proof that we are in the end times.
We also have to make sure the democrats don't get back
in the White House! I don't want their "moral compass"
forced on anyone.

Best post.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity.


Wait, what?

So putting up a fir tree, leaving cookies out for Santa and tongue kissing people under a piece of a Viscum album shrub are not Christian?


If the tree had thorns on it instead of needles it could be made into a wreath to put on Jesus's head, it might be a Christian tree. The tree lights could have been used to bind Jesus I suppose.

God makes cats climb trees and knock of ornaments and topple the trees every year around the worls.
Don't blame your cat for climbing the Christmas tree, it is not it's fault that you stuck something cats like to climb in the living room.


Please stop discussing Christmas, it has nothing at all to do with the OP or topic
and is derailing the thread. OFF TOPIC thread drift.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.


Once again off topic Thread Drift.

Please stop and remark on the actual topic.

Thank you.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.


Correct. They have used astronomical records, and some think he was likely born on September 11, 4BC.


This is post is thread drift and off topic.

I'd appreciate you talking about the actual topic of the OP at least in passing.

Thank you.



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 07:57 PM
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the freaking cat shouldn't be in the house for so many reasons



posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Oh dear, kissing under the Viscum is a pagan practice, the druids used to do it.
Can someone answer me a very serious question, Christianity is following the dictats of Christ as recounted in the New Testament. Now the question,"please point out to me where in the Bible does Christ denounce abortions"?


"Thou shalt not murder" comes to mind.

So why does the Left despise Christianity? I think for the reason stated earlier - accountability. Even in the Catholic religion, which I was raised in, there is little accountability so that's ok for most of them. However, the hypocrisy of those Democrats that were chastising Barrett for her beliefs that come from her Catholic faith is confusing. They are Catholic, yet it's ok for them to believe abortion is ok? That's not kosher according to the Catholic faith. They're talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to tolerating religion.


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posted on Oct, 15 2020 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Christmas is a more modern symbolic holiday, it has nothing really to do with Christianity. It has turned into a consumer promotional holiday from a winter solstace related fantasy created to make it so Pagans would convert to Christianity more readily in the past.....and it worked.

ll.


Very, very ignorant comment, friend. This is an ignorant claim that started with pseudo-scholars on the internet who take enough information and put just enough big or Latin/Greek/other language words to get people (like you, apparently) to fall for it. Get some better sources than whatever silly website on which you read and fell for this nonsense. Try:

drmsh.com...

That refers you to a scholarly article on the nonsense you are posting; if you don’t feel like reading, then there is a hyperlink within that short blog post which takes you to a podcast episode which thoroughly discusses your incorrect claim.

One last thing: Billie’s OP had nothing to do with Christmas.
From research by people who studied this extensively, they determined that Jesus was born between the middle of September to the latter part of October. Definitely not in December.


Correct. They have used astronomical records, and some think he was likely born on September 11, 4BC.


This is post is thread drift and off topic.

I'd appreciate you talking about the actual topic of the OP at least in passing.

Thank you.


Sure thing. Though I replied early in the thread, directly to your OP. But I guess instead of replying to that, you’d rather take the time to reply to what you consider off topic. That’s cool, I guess we get to Mod our own threads now.



posted on Oct, 16 2020 @ 03:17 AM
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We're talking about scrubbing all references to one religion from everywhere but allowing all references to those others in the name of inclusion.

I forgot what we were talking about.

But I got to thinking, "Hmmm, about 90% of people I've known in real life were Christians, and about 33% of people I've known in real life voted Democrat. It is quite likely that there is some overlap, Christians who vote Democrat."

So I looked up the current makeup of the U.S. Senate. Out of 100 Senators, 86 are Christians. That's 32 Christian Democrat Senators. Religious affiliation in the United States Senate

None of the current Democrat Senators happen to be Evangelicals for some reason. But there is a group of wannabe Democrat politician Evangelicals called Christian Democrats of America.

Here's a little something from their Separation of Church and State page:

We respect a healthy separation between religion and government. Scripture and early-church teachings indicate Christianity was never supposed to be about forcing beliefs on anyone by way of taking over government and enforcing Biblical principles or belief. The United States was founded on freedom of religion and is a free, secular Republic to be kept void of religious tyranny. This is not to say, however, as some do, that spiritual beliefs, morals and Biblical values do not have a place in our political system, because we the people make up that system, and millions look to the Bible as a source for moral authority. Thus, our spiritual and Biblical basis as Christians are a foundation for our personal values, which informs our actions, and those actions translate into voting, and legislative action and worldviews. Values and legislation should not be confused with personal spirituality and belief, which has no place in public government debate. We do not want nor should we have a government that is “big” enough to want to regulate our spiritual lives!

Freedom to believe and live as we choose is a basic God-given right

Our most fundamental right as a human being is that of freewill. From the beginning our Creator gave us this decision-making power. If we allow the legislation of “sin” in this country, which many have done and are actively doing now, where does that lead us? Eventually it would lead us straight back into the middle-ages with a Church dictatorship and witch hunts trials! And whose “version of sin” should we legislate? Some believe homosexuality is sin, others believe drinking alcohol or seeing an R-rated movie is sin, so whose definition is sinful? Scripture deals with this issue very clearly for Christians in Romans 14 (see below), allowing freedom to work out our own salvation with a clear directive not to judge the actions and beliefs of others who may not believe the same about a certain idea of what is/isn’t “sin.”. But never did the disciples or Jesus try to enforce his teachings and their beliefs on sin through the government – it is actually against New Testament values to do so, as Jesus himself separated the role of government and role of the church with the statement “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and God’s what is God’s (Matthew 22:15-22).” However, there is a healthy amount of directive in both Old and New Testaments on what our view and actions should be for the poor, the vulnerable, sick…the least of these. This is a directive that is actionable, a stand for freedom for all and justice for the innocent. The early church was full of women and others who had no authority previously, but then were given a voice and church activities that include doing everything possible to help those in need and see that those in power carried out social justice. So in this way, our beliefs and directives are not separate from our government action…nor should they be.

Take my personal beliefs for instance, informed by Christian scripture: Adultery is clearly a sin, and if it were up to me, I would decide that it should be a felony, punishable by five years imprisonment.

Adultery, according to the words of Jesus in the Gospels, is sexual relations with anyone not your spouse. If anyone has been married once and then has divorced, that person must remain celibate as long as the first spouse lives.

So suppose a person has been married to three different women. That alone should result in two felony convictions with a minimum of ten years in prison. Add a couple of affairs and such and that person would have four felony convictions with a minimum of 20 years in prison.

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Every one may now give a sigh of relief that I am not the law maker for the U.S. Just imagine all the suffering and overcrowded prisons! Biblical adultery is something that we have managed to live with.

Okay, I'll let up on my hard nosed ideas as they relate to other people. Divorce is sometimes called for, for the well being of some, and remarriage can also be beneficial.

So I'll be more liberal toward others than I am toward myself.

Even Christians can do that too I would think.


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