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I’m Tired of the Wasting Your Vote BS

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posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 10:34 AM
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People constantly fall back on the excuse that if you don’t vote for either dumpster fire you’re wasting your vote. That’s crap.

The only way you’re wasting your vote is if you vote for the Democratic or the Republican Party. Your vote for either means nothing when we’re talking hundreds of thousands or more votes that decide an election between the two. Want your vote to count? Vote for a third party. Because at least then you’re adding support to the notion that we need more than two parties to represent a country this big and diverse.

Vote for any third party. Libertarian, whatever. While I identify with a lot of libertarian principles I can’t support the party because of who funds them. Any party awash in Koch and Peter Thiel money isn’t for me. But do you. At least you won’t be feeding into the same garbage compactor that produces a Democrat that looks like his head is going to wobble off at any moment and a Republican who is the embodiment of rage, greed and everything wrong in the American character.

Make your vote count.




posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

I totally 'wasted' my vote in 2016 and I 'wasted' it again this year on each of my mail in ballots in the various states I exercised my franchise.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Wow... We agree lol
I voted for Johnson in hopes of another voice in this year's election cycle...

I'll probably do the same this year.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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Ill be doing the same. The two party system has divided us long enough, while they play party pretend they enrich themselves.

They all probably laugh how sheepish and gullible we are during the annual bohemian grove meetings.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 11:27 AM
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People who buy into the wasted vote idea live in fear.

It's ridiculous when people say a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump, and then someone else says it's a vote for Biden. No, it's a vote for whatever third party candidate.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 12:10 PM
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I keep writing in Ted Nugent. ONE DAY!!!!!!



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 01:48 PM
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Never wasting a vote since I won't even begin.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 02:41 PM
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Lol..sure your not just tired from flip flopping?
You've been self proclaimed heavy left making fun of the evil right on almost every dang thread I've ever read.
Including non political topics.

Now your neutral?
Well, congrats on figuring out neither party is good at least.




posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Well, I don't know Werks. I have voted third party so many times I forget to count them. I voted Peace and Freedom and I voted Green. I voted Citizens Party when Barry Commener ran on a one word platform. '' Bull#''. I have voted Libertarian and Independent.

For all of that ''independence'' in those votes, this will be my fifteenth. In this time I have voted for only 4 winners and two of those I did not vote for having a second term.

But you know what? Yes, the Dems have a bobble head for a candidate and were this any other year I would turn my back, no, it would never face in that direction in the first place, and snub the Dem dummy. But this year we are faced with Mr. Bobblehead and Mr. Potatohead and for me the choice is clear. Correct that, for me there is no choice. Mr. Potatohead has to go and if the only way to do that is to vote for Mr. Bobblehead then that is how I will vote.

Because if Mr. Potatohead wins again I fear that neither I, for a sixteenth vote, nor anyone else will ever be allowed to vote again.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 02:46 PM
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I don't think there's even a chance with the "acquisition" of social media pushing 2 party division.
We can't even push a 3rd.
The whole damn thing is rigged.
The savior anti establishment flag waver vs the commies narrative.
It will equal a landslide establishment complete with endless lawsuits clogging up the media, allowing background establishment hijinks during the distraction.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 02:49 PM
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But its just like life, how life is your life to waste, so is thy vote.

do what thou wilt.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Can you explain a few things that make you feel "he's got to go"?

I saw some celebrity on camera saying literally "it's been a living hell since this guy got elected" but I've yet to see a cogent argument for exactly what the issue is that makes things a living hell. I know for a fact that pampered celebrity was completely full of $h!t and nothing in his life changed except for who he was told to worship, but as a real person what changed for you?

Most of the garbage I hear is simply continuation of Obama policy, but the people saying it has to end didn't feel that way when Obama was in office.

Is no new wars a bad thing? Are peace treaties in the middle east a bad thing?

What about Trump, aside from nebulous rumors, is really that bad?

I ask you because I honestly think you are of a rare few that might answer honestly.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
Lol..sure your not just tired from flip flopping?
You've been self proclaimed heavy left making fun of the evil right on almost every dang thread I've ever read.
Including non political topics.

Now your neutral?
Well, congrats on figuring out neither party is good at least.



I’ve never flip flopped in my politics. I’m as left as you can get. Republicans are now a criminal syndicate that needs to be stricken from all areas of government. There isn’t any other danger to America as clear and present. No other political party has militant followers that are actually planning out how to kidnap Senators. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of people who believe Democrats are literally baby eating Satanists and think they should be dealt with accordingly. Also trying to control education to teach some North Korea style political indoctrination. There is no comparison.

Modern Democrats are 1980’s Republicans. That’s where we are right now. Which is why I can’t in good conscience support them either.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire


But you know what? Yes, the Dems have a bobble head for a candidate and were this any other year I would turn my back, no, it would never face in that direction in the first place, and snub the Dem dummy. But this year we are faced with Mr. Bobblehead and Mr. Potatohead and for me the choice is clear. Correct that, for me there is no choice. Mr. Potatohead has to go and if the only way to do that is to vote for Mr. Bobblehead then that is how I will vote. Because if Mr. Potatohead wins again I fear that neither I, for a sixteenth vote, nor anyone else will ever be allowed to vote again.


I agree with you about the implications of Trump winning again. It may very well be the last true election if he has his way.

That is, if this one is even the last true election. I have serious doubts that even if Biden truly wins, Trump will muddy the waters so much it will throw doubt into everything. I believe there isn’t anything he wouldn’t do to keep his hold on power.

And his followers will march right along with it. Because to them a dictatorship with their guy in power is preferable to a democratic process where they might lose.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 04:30 PM
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Do what you want, but it's just about mathematically impossible for a 3rd party candidate to become president.

Let's pretend for a moment and say that no candidate gets an absolute majority of electoral votes (i.e. the magical 270). What happens then? Well, then the balance of the election process becomes a "contingent election". In a contingent election the House of Representatives will nominate the president, and the Senate will elect the Vice President from the top 3 candidates in the election.

An important note here...the House and the Senate who vote are the incoming House and Senate members, not the existing ones, but just for grins we'll say the distribution is roughly the same.

There's no way in hell the top three candidates won't include at least one republican and one democrat. Now, let's look at the makeup of the House. The House currently has 435 members (232 democrats, 197 republicans, 1 independent and 5 vacant seats. Assuming this distribution remains close (which is a pretty safe assumption, because the likelihood of 80-100 independents being seated for this election is about zero), then you'd have to believe that hundreds of these Reps and Senators are going to vote for their party platform, not the independent. Not gonna' happen!

And, the Senate will almost certainly vote down party lines and elect a republican Vice President, if for no other reason than to prevent a super-majority dynasty coming out of the House.

So...we're right back to wasting your vote. I don't like it any more than anyone else does, but I can do the math. A 3rd party candidate doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected to president. It's just not possible.

Again, you can vote however you like, but these are just the cold hard realities of the situation.

ETA - The only way any of this could even have a prayer of changing is IF an independent candidate was able to win both California and NY (among other die-hard blue states)...which will happen when hell freezes over...or later.
edit on 10/10/2020 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


So...we're right back to wasting your vote. I don't like it any more than anyone else does, but I can do the math. A 3rd party candidate doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected to president.


I think everyone is conscious of the fact that there’s no chance in hell a 3rd party candidate will win the presidency. That’s not the reason to vote 3rd party. The reason is that the more votes they receive the more viable they become in the future.

So maybe one day, if there’s still a country left by then they may actually have a chance. To me that’s a better use of my vote than than throwing it on the current trash heap.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

That's all fine and good, but the national elections are not the time and the place to do it. To truly be an effective 3rd party candidate they will need have to have staggeringly larger support numbers before even the primaries. That, or they will need to play the same game Trump did. He saw the handwriting on the wall (and did the math, or someone did).

In this election, no independent had anywhere near those numbers, and Bernie was a non-starter (even though he had quite a bit of support for his socialist ideals). Now, Ron Paul, on the other hand, was a candidate who might have been able to pull something like this off, but he was too radical and unyielding in some areas which cost him.

For my part, I'd love to see the two party system shattered, and I don't like "the lesser of two evils" mentality, but until something changes (and don't think for one moment the democrats, OR the republicans, have one calorie of fortitude to change it), then...it is what it is.

Now, if the American people really wanted to do something (listen up here democrats), we wouldn't be advocating violence as a political alternative. This wouldn't allow the right to move to the totalitarian side of the spectrum. Want change? Be the change you want to see, not more of the problem which widens the divide. I'm not suggesting you are doing this, but just a general statement, and at this point there's no real denying it.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I always vote for myself for president ,as a former and current presidential candidate I can assure you I get one vote every election



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

What about Trump, aside from nebulous rumors, is really that bad


Only by telling you about myself can I even hope to explain my rejection of Trump.

Early on I found the inconsistencies and institutional fabrications of western thought unproductive in establishing for myself an understanding of the reality in which I found my own existence. If that last sentence sounds to existential or itself fabricated then you may not want to bother with the rest of this.

By the time I was 21 I had set aside a promising musical career for a career of working with children. I was a strong Christian lad with hopes of being a stronger Christian man. I set aside my music and entered a Christian college with a collegiate goal of study to be a YMCA director of youth. This college was half way across the country from my home.

Making a long story short, my interpretation of my Christian faith lead me to be opposed to the Vietnam Conflict. I protested. A friend, unknown to me at the time, received tuition from the CIA for nothing more than providing names to put on a watch list. He submitted mine. He later told me he had. He told me that is, after I had been expelled. I later found that there was a CIA program at that time called Operation Chaos that did just that, a watch list. I returned home and found myself blackballed from working in any of the Y's in my area.

Meanwhile LBJ and Nixon lied and cheated and proved to me that our nation was in the hands of some bad people.
So then seeing the nation I believe so firmly in to be governed by people not worth of support, my existential side took over more strongly, finding myself detached from my personal goals and hoped for life courses.

Meanwhile I had had several dramatic UFO sightings as well as some very profound psychic experiences, all leading me to an understanding that this reality was not how it generally presented itself. As Heinlein once said, I , was a stranger in a strange land.

Then I met Leslie. Leslie and Dan. I was sitting on a curb and contemplating heading out to the forest and not coming back until I had had direction given to me by God. Yep, I was that disenchanted with this world.

Leslie and Dan invited me to dinner and a lecture with a group of friends that were studying a philosophy that blended Eastern religion and Western religions for a new hope for humanity.

Now at this time, now that is, we know enough about cults to see that one coming. But back then, in 1969, cults were not so well understood. So off I went with them.

Yep. The Moonies. And what did I have to lose? Four more yeas of my life.

Are you still with me?

Unlike so many others, I managed to hold onto a small core of myself and finally pealed myself away from that cult. I was ashamed that I had been suckered so. I began to study up on cults and cult leaders. How was it that my innocence and honesty had been so abused. How had I been so manipulated.

And the more I studied psychology and other studies on this and other topics, the more I came to realize that the Moonies and other cults were not so easily understood without also understanding that the tactics they employed were also in many cases the same tactics that were used in advertising. More than that, those tactics were basically the tactics that held together the very framework of corporations and politics. Those tactics being simply, find a product, dress it up with a ribbon and sell the crap out of it to any market you can find.

Over time I realized that the tactics of the Republicans was oh so similar to the tactics of the Democrats. That the tactics of victory for conservatives was like the tactics of liberals.

And I watched those tactics secure a presidential win for a an actor schmo whose career had ended up with him being a soap salesman on TV by hosting a cowboy show. That really woke me up. Reagan was not presidential fiber, he was not a leader. All he was was a mediocre actor who had been picked up because he had the ''face'' that could be used to promote an agenda, the agenda of corporate America. He sold America on ''trickle down'' and put that friendly face on the corporate takeover of our country. And whole swaths of the American public fell for it, even as he was into his second term with obvious signs of alzheimers. I was coming to understand what fools the American public could be.
There was this old hack that went, You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
I found that Reagan had proved a similar proverb.

In a democracy you can fool enough of the people enough of the time.
I really am trying to make this as short as possible.

Then there was Slick Willy. What a pretty face. Played his sax on which ever show it was and zoomed from last place in the Democrat Primaries into first and then on into the White House. A lying sack of sexaholic $hit, And oh, the missus.

Then, Bush. Baby Bush. Scooting by on his daddies name, buying into franchises that gained him some fame and finally into the governorship of Texas. Then again into the White House. A family name, a family we could trust. (have you ever noticed how the word family is used to promote everything)? And what a dimwit he was. He had no clue what was going on around him with the Cheney's and the rest of the neo-cons that were pushing their agenda around the world. Hoo boy, what a schmo.

And of course Obama. We both can see clearly the advertising that made him potus with very little effort.

And then in 16. I had been watching for over forty five years for a true salesman, a successful charlatan huckster to show up on the stage. And she nearly won.

She nearly won because she was out huckstered. Out huckstered by a TV personality who had passed himself off as a successful business man and loved the glory of being ''the boss''. Loved the adulation that came with adoration.

He had failed at airlines. He had failed at casinos. He had failed at mail order steak sales. He had failed at online Universtity. Well, not failed so much in that last effort. He had succeeded in enriching himself at the expense of the suckers he had taken in on his scheme.

So maybe from this you can understand that it's not because of CNN or because of what Biden says or anyone else, but rather from my own battle with finding my way in this existence that I recognize Trump for what he is. A con man, a grifter. A self centered narcissist with only enough brains to secure for himself that con of cons where you can fool enough of the people enough of the time.

Prior to 16 I had been a Republican for 40 years but changed my registration to D so that I could vote against the ''missus''. Little did I realize just how gullible other conservatives could be.

For a moment after Reagan and Papa Bush I had had hope for Clinton. For a moment. For a moment , after Baby Bush and the neo-consI I had hope for Obama. For a moment. And for a brief and short moment I had hope for Trump, short lived as that hope was.

And where does that leave me? It leaves me with Biden. OMG. Biden. Do I have hope in him and the Democrats? Well, what else is there to hope for any more, brief though is surely might be.



posted on Oct, 10 2020 @ 07:28 PM
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And if he loses, I would place my last dollar on him orchestrating a third party for 2024. There should be plenty of familiar faces that would be every so happy to have his support then. He can build that party from the bastions of his new media empire

www.latimes.com...



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