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Beyond A Reasonable Doubt- Part One

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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 06:00 PM
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"People of the Free Thinking United States of America" Vrs. "The Christian Community" (Please note that POFTUSA is placing charges on Islam, JW, Mormons, ect. at a later date)

Charge: Perjury, Murder, Mass Murder, Extortion, Blackmail, Disorderly Conduct, Creating False Documents, and Suppresion of Critical Information to the Members of Its Community.

Prosocutions Opening Statement:

"Members of the jury, The People of the Free Thinking United States of America (POFTUSA) are here to bring to light, the corrupt nature of The Christian Community (CC). We intend to prove to you, beyond a reasonable doubt several things. We intend to show you first and foremost, that the CC intentionally misleads its members in an effort to maintain itself. In the process it allows corruption, and ignorance through its doors without question. It is the route cause for millions of POFTUSA citizens to blindly involve themselves with a corrupt organization, that pulls the very fabric of all society apart. Its lies and methods are the cause for millions upon millions of deaths, war, dispair, fear, insanity, and choas in the entire world today. We intend to show that its very manual encourages the above mentioned from its members. Its supposed leader, has himself admittedly taken part in the above mentioned.

The POFTUSA also intends to show, that the very document that guides the CC is flawed horribly. The very book that the members of the CC are supposed to follow will be shown to not only support the attrocities mentioned above, but to support them based on lies that are easily uncovered with little thought.

The POFTUSA also intends to show, that the CC leadership, intentionally uses diversionary tactics to hide these issues and fool its unsuspecting members and non-members into trusting an invalid source. The CC teaches its members to use these same diversionary tactics, to avoid being confronted with issues that may cause them to question their loyalty to the CC. The leadership of the CC will also be shown to be guilty of using scare tactics to maintain its members once they do start to question the system.

Finally, the POFTUSA intends to show, that the resulting consequences of the above mentioned actions are not only detrimental to the CC itself, but rather every member of the POFTUSA community, regardless of whether they belong to the CC. These detrimental consequences impede our ability to live in a free society. They impede on everyones ability to live without fear of what will occur tomorrow. They impede on everyones ability to reason to the best of their ability. They impede an the very foundation of logic and knowledge our society has gained over the years. The CC is a threat to all of society.

Members of the jury, please, do not take my words lightly. The POFTUSA have a right to see the horrible underlying nature of the CC, and they have a right to defend themselves against it. Listen to the testimony that you will hear in the upcoming weeks carefully. Take into consideration all of the evidence that will be provided. People of the jury, I can assure you, that after all of this evidence is put forward for you to see, you will know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the CC is guilty on all charges. Thank you"

Part two: www.belowtopsecret.com...

[edit on 3/16/2005 by Seapeople]

[edit on 3/16/2005 by Seapeople]




posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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....... seapeople



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:03 PM
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Its ok jake, I know it must hurt so bad.....



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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Extremely interesting case! Is there ehem....some money.....ehem i can bet...for the winning side?



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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I think I see their point!




posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Herman
I think I see their point!



Who's THEY? Pardon my ignorance but I dont see your point. Care to explain?



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:54 AM
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I_s_i_s,

Clearly he is trying to compare me to the KKK. That is his point. It doesn't really matter what he says. But hey, whatever floats his boat.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:01 AM
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Right I see that. Even a kid can come up with a better joke. I thought maybe I wasnt seeing something.
If you're the KKK, then i'm the tooof fairy!!! yey!! Gimme a dollar dammit!



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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I wasn't comparing you to the KKK, Seapeople. I don't insult members; it's not my style. And no, I don't feel the need to state my argument in every one of these little threads. I'm pretty sure I've already done that in one of them. However, there are about two reasons I posted that comic. First of all, this administration, the one that is for some odd reason against all religions, reminds me a lot of the KKK. Taking an entire group of people, and saying that they've hurt the country? Second, I think that this case is a joke. Like I've already said in another thread, it's set up like a comic book or some kind of bad action movie. I mean where are you going with this? What are you going to do, sue every Christian in the world?

-Hmm, after reading your response in part 3, I guess I did call you a member of the KKK. Sorry about that.


[edit on 17-3-2005 by Herman]



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:17 AM
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Assuming that you realize that POFTUSA does not exist. I am going to ignore your references to their intent. Like I keep telling you.....its ok, relax. Hang in there buddy!



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
its ok, relax. Hang in there buddy!


So instead of addressing my point, you just hide behind that little line? I see how it is. Poor misguided seapeople
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posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:46 AM
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Interesting. You accuse me of doing exactly what you do. Even though I am not. Any possible issue that you bring up is meaningless. I have addressed them all previously, and will address them again in this wonderful series. What you are having trouble understanding is that this is entertaining to most of the people reading it. The few unintelligent and hypocritical moronic christians such as yourself cannot, and will not see that. Your efforts would be best directed to other people who are as foolish and unable to question their reality such as yourself.

But, since you kindof insisted, I will humor you. Yes, I do lump you christians all together. You are all basically the same. You come to your beliefs by disregarding the factual information you collect every day just by living. You waste your minds away by denying truth and science.

I addressed your issue. Now, I am off to continue this series.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
Interesting. You accuse me of doing exactly what you do. Even though I am not.


Actually, you are. And I'm not. The only reason I DID was to poke fun at you for doing so in the first place. You answer my posts with "Hang in there budy!"


Any possible issue that you bring up is meaningless.


Why?


I have addressed them all previously, and will address them again in this wonderful series.


Oh, I see. So any contradictions that I make to your points, you don't have to answer right? Because all of us Christians are morons?


What you are having trouble understanding is that this is entertaining to most of the people reading it.


Entertaining? Just how is this entertaining? Lumping Christians into one big moronic categorie... You're acting like a persecuting, prejudiced bigott.


The few unintelligent and hypocritical moronic christians such as yourself


Wow, thanks for the insult. Makes you look really smart
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But, since you kindof insisted, I will humor you. Yes, I do lump you christians all together. You are all basically the same. You come to your beliefs by disregarding the factual information you collect every day just by living. You waste your minds away by denying truth and science.


Ok, what factual evidence is this? Please, enlighten me. God exists. Prove me wrong. I dare you to even try.

Some of the most enlightened and intelligent people I've ever met are Christians. Ever heard of Barry Young? He had a radio show a while back. He'd explain all of the mysteries of space and time and such. People would call in and ask him questions about the world, and he's never been stumped. Some of my best and brightest teachers were Christians. Oh, but I forgot, we're all morons. Seriously, how do you sleep at night with such hate in your heart?



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 12:37 PM
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This is ridiculous.

what in the world is (free) thinking?


The people who have created Aids? Or nuclear warheads? Or pornagraphy causing millions of rapes and deaths? Or people who beat people up for no reason in school because they have no christian upbringing? Or prideful souls who think sience is the key?



Your kidding me. Science will destroy us. Its coming soon, not because im a fanatic but because its just true, and its what the bible says about our own prideful creations.


Science will destroy your existance one day seapeople, and you know this deep down so I don't even have to say any more about it. We can never be God but we can play God and destroy ourselves.


" You waste your minds away by denying truth or science "


science cannot reveal miracles to you, or teach you how to live peacful, loving, and chaste lives for God. before i knew God I knew what you knew and I was literally a pathetic, sinful soul who really was living only for myself. Im truly glad God (jesus) has revealed himself to me by his doing though I don't deserve it, but hes saved my life.



heres what Jesus taught me, and its truly amazing how he can turn your life around.


1.Love you enemies
2. Pray for your enemies
3. If someone attacks you pray for them instead of revenge

If I talked to you seapeople how I talked to people before I heard about jesus, I would be a nasty person trust me, but now even though you hate our guts I still love you because you are a soul of God.


4. Respect women and our bodies


this includes, eating right, not womenizing women, not treating our bodies like trash ect..


5. Creat peace in every situation

6. Not be prideful

7. Do good to others.



These teachings which I did not truly know before to this extent have changed my life, and if the world lived by these which came from God, we would not have to worry about the filth thats in the world, or about war and destruction, it would be pure peace.



It truly seems t me that deep down seapeople you probably know that the things I listed are the teachings of perfection, but you just might not want to serve God.


thats what it comes down to anyways.


God could show you 100s of miracles and if you don't want to serve him, but only yourself than you just don't want to believe or sevre God nomatter the proof given. Im being sincere as possible here seapeople and you wont even give me the benefit of the doubt about my sincereness.


That leads me to think that you just don't want to believe or serve. Only you know what you believe.



I think to all christians in here, its truly a waste of time arguing with this soul, honestly, just let him post what he wants to.


Peace.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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Herman, buddy...now now...

Show me where you contradicted my points? I did not catch it.
You really are worse than I thought! You have no clue about reality. You are a follower of nonsense. You have no ability to think for yourself. Go read answers in genesis for a while if this stuff bothers you.


Truth, I will address you, have patience.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
Herman, buddy...now now...

Show me where you contradicted my points? I did not catch it.
You really are worse than I thought! You have no clue about reality. You are a follower of nonsense. You have no ability to think for yourself. Go read answers in genesis for a while if this stuff bothers you.


Oh man, do I really have to go through all of this??? Let's see, in your part 3:


When got tempted Abraham, he didn't do so to gain anything from him, or to mislead him. He did so to test him, just as you said in your little mock-court case there.


There's one contradiction to one of your points.

And let's see....in part one:


posted by seapeopleWhat you are having trouble understanding is that this is entertaining to most of the people reading it.



posted by HermanEntertaining? Just how is this entertaining? Lumping Christians into one big moronic categorie... You're acting like a persecuting, prejudiced bigott.


That's another...

also in part one:


posted by seapeopleBut, since you kindof insisted, I will humor you. Yes, I do lump you christians all together. You are all basically the same. You come to your beliefs by disregarding the factual information you collect every day just by living. You waste your minds away by denying truth and science.




Posted by HermanOk, what factual evidence is this? Please, enlighten me. God exists. Prove me wrong. I dare you to even try.


There's another.

Oh Hell, do I really have to go through every line of my posts? Just read through again, you'll see! And please, stop with the insults. They don't help your case. They just make you look desperate, and like you're grasping for things to say.


This is pretty sick though, seriously.

[edit on 17-3-2005 by Herman]



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Please, go through and disect every single line of my post. I am curious as to what an "word I was told not to use on this site by mods" like yourself has to say. I will wait.

I just want to point something out about a typical christian such as yourself, and your blatant refusal to accept reality. Typical christians such as yourself all do the same thing. You change the bible to make it suit your needs. Then you proceed to instruct others to be as stupid as yourself and do the same.

In the mock court case, I raised an issue about tempting, which you have decided to oppose me on. You stated that god was "testing" abraham by "tempting" him. Lets get a little technical for you, and don't worry, I will try to put it in gradeschool language so you can understand.

Tempt:1 : to entice to do wrong by promise of pleasure or gain
2 a obsolete : to make trial of : TEST b : to try presumptuously : PROVOKE c : to risk the dangers of

(Got to love the word provoke)

Note the word TEST in the actual definition of tempt by Merriam Websters Dictionary.

Test:2 a : a means of testing: as (1) : a procedure, reaction, or reagent used to identify or characterize a substance or constituent (2) : something (as a series of questions or exercises) for measuring the skill, knowledge, intelligence, capacities, or aptitudes of an individual or group

I put Merriam Websters defninition of test in there just for some backround. In anycase, let us continue. Try to follow me Herman, I know its hard. What we just learned is that tempting, always is akin to testing...IN ALL CASES. So when satan was tempting Jesus in the bible, you could just as easily swap the word test with tempt and achieve the same result. Fundamentally, when describing issues such as this, tempt and test are the same thing. Each one is the act of trying to entice or PROVOKE a person to do something to see the result. Even though you will deny the very words that Merriam Websters Dictionary used here like a fool, I will continue.

With that being said, lets look at a bible verse:

James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."

Interesting. I would say thats pretty straight forward, wouldn't you?

Lets have a look at another bible verse:

Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."

Well would you look at that! Both are from the SAME BIBLE!!! Wow. Thats just amazing. Further analyzing your foolishness Herman, I decided to point some more things out for you. See, you did what you complain of others doing I am sure. You did the 'ol "pick and choose". You picked one bible verse over the other. Then, even though Revelation PROHIBITS you from doing so, you developed your own idea to eliminate the obvious contradiction. You are changing the words of the bible. The bible does NOT say "God did TEST abraham". The bible says "God did TEMPT Abraham". You are a blind follower. So much so that you will deny what I have just pointed out to you. Everyone can see your foolishness.

If I were you, I would let this go now. If you don't like the content of this thread, don't read it and spare yourself the humiliation of posting like a fool. In the mean time, most of the people reading this will enjoy it. They won't think of you one second while doing so.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:05 PM
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You know what, I really do feel for you Seapeople. You just make up these little fake court-cases by yourself? When I read your posts, I see the anger and comtempt you hold. It must hurt, really. Why do you hate Christians the way you do? Why do you hate me? Why must you insult me in all of your posts? Have I not been kind to you? You seem to prejudge me, so let me give you a little insight into my beliefs, before you make yourself look even worse in my mind. If I were asked, I would not say that I were a typical Christian. I belive in God, and the story of Jesus (mainly, Jesus is our savior). The rest of the bible, as I have said before, I don't follow strictly. I follow the basic teachings of God. Love others, respect other, respect yourself, don't steal, yada yada. I've said this before, I do believe that there may be some inaccuracies in the bible. So many thousands of years, so many translations... But apparently, that's not what you want to hear. You want to hear that I'm a stupid Christian, and I bet you'd like to see me hanged. I stand up for the Christians you're describing because I see the hate and bigotry in your words, and it hurts me. I think maybe I can help you. I hope someday that you will come to the realization that your hate will get you nowhere. On to your post.


I put Merriam Websters defninition of test in there just for some backround. In anycase, let us continue. Try to follow me Herman, I know its hard. What we just learned is that tempting, always is akin to testing...IN ALL CASES. So when satan was tempting Jesus in the bible, you could just as easily swap the word test with tempt and achieve the same result. Fundamentally, when describing issues such as this, tempt and test are the same thing. Each one is the act of trying to entice or PROVOKE a person to do something to see the result. Even though you will deny the very words that Merriam Websters Dictionary used here like a fool, I will continue.


Like I said earlier, I'm not a typical Christian. I haven't read the entire bible. What I do know, and know well, is the story of Jesus. You do not need to be a biblical scholor in order to get to heaven. All you need is to accept Jesus as your savior, and love God. With that love comes following Jesus's teachings. No, just because God used temptation as a test does not mean that tempt means test in all cases. But let's pretend it does. What would that change when Satan tempted Jesus? Maybe he did test him! He was testing Jesus to see if he would turn on God. Jesus did not. Anything else you need to know?



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople
Please, go through and disect every single line of my post. I am curious as to what an "word I was told not to use on this site by mods" like yourself has to say. I will wait.


I don't have the time to go through every line of your post and disect it. I have better things to do with my time, but I guess I'll try. And thanks for the insult. I guess it starts with a vowel, since you used 'an'..hmmm I wonder what word you were going to use. And seriously, why do you have to insult me the way you do in every post you make? Why the hate, honestly? You don't even know me.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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The bible does NOT say "God did TEST abraham". The bible says "God did TEMPT Abraham". You are a blind follower.


The Hebrew nacah = to test.




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