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How To Cope When A Family Member supports Domestic Terrorism?

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posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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Paraphrased from incoserv's post about "How To Cope When A Family Member Is VotingTrump". Sorry I beat you to it, incoserv, but I had a conversation the other day with someone and it was very Disconcerting and Chilling.

Someone you thought was a good and kind person has revealed themselves to be… something different. Someone you love has exposed their support for or tolerance of Looting, Rioting, Arson, Bigotry, Hatred, Selfishness, Racism, Abuse and Violence, Assault, Murder, and Cop Killing through their support of BLM and Antifa. Compounding the situation, you also found that they don't have enough Common Sense to get that two Wrongs don't make a Right.

What do you with someone like that?




posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:23 AM
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I point and laugh and make sure they know how stupid they are, as many times per day as humanly possibly.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

I tell them that once they hit their mid 30's they'll be cringing at their past behavior and beliefs.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

Here's the thing:

I don't and never have wanted everyone to think like me. The best ideas and solutions come through a volly of different thought processes where they are shaped and refined.

To paraphrase Patton - If everyone thinks the same, someone's not thinking. And when you have people who think differently, they're more likely to come up with sharp, smart, and refined ideas and plans. The best. That's where American exceptionalism really is in the idea that it allows all voices and all ideas to work off each other to shape and hone the best.

I want reasonable and rational people who don't think like me to oppose my ideas, and they should want me there doing the same with their ideas. It makes the ideas themselves better as we fine tune them through each other's critiques.

We've lost that ability in discourse lately. Ideas have become hate and words are now violence. People who go that route, I disagree with vehemently. There is no possible growth and progress of any type there.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:49 AM
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I would look through the shock and question WHY that would affect you to begin with. Quite possibly it comes from reading too many things on the internet, watching too much "news" on TV and listening to too many folks who think they have their finger on the pulse of society.
Then ask yourself are you truly discouraged because someone has their own opinions? Also question how that person might view you.

Sometimes it's best to focus on other, non-polarizing aspects of humanity

(not criticizing you personally friend. Just explaining how I've reacted in such situations)



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 11:57 AM
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Interesting. You say that someone you know. You say someone you love.

This person has ''exposed'' that they support and or tolerate the following


Looting, Rioting, Arson, Bigotry, Hatred, Selfishness, Racism, Abuse and Violence, Assault, Murder, and Cop Killing through their support of BLM and Antifa.


You thought that this person was a 'good and kind' person. How is it that you never noticed that they support ''Murder'' before. Just how did this manage to slip by you. How is sit that their support for cop killing never reach your threshold of awareness.

How is it that their selfishness never bothered you when you thought they were ''good and kind''? Did you never catch wind that they were racist prior to what, some big revelation?

Surely their support of arson would have come up long ago in a conversation with your ''good and kind'' person.

Nope? Never?

So maybe having missed all of that before when you thought of them as a ''kind and loving '' person you might be missing something still. Maybe you are missing that they really don't support those things that you so dutifully listed. Maybe you have just become so judgmental that now that this person doesn't see things the same way you do must be cast off in the nether regions of your mind as totally bad.

I mean, I don't know you and I certainly do not know this once ''good and kind'' person you mention. It' s just that if anyone I knew held those beliefs I hope I would have recognized those qualities long ago



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

We recently had a college friend who's now a prof at a large uni express the sentiment that all cops deserve to die/get killed, so yeah ... it happens. That was a shocking sentiment from someone we thought we knew or used to know.

Seems very supportive of murder to me, especially as I have family in law enforcement.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Certainly we can all tell tales of how people we used to know hold views that differ from our own.
But as our OP has stated this person was loved and thought to be a good and kind person when they really are all those qualities that OP listed. Seems to me that if one loved a person one might have noticed some of those qualities prior to that one conversation. Discovering all those negative qualities about a person one loved by just one conversation does not speak well for the attention that loved one received prior to the conversation.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

this friend of yours is still a good and kind person at heart - you should rather ask yourself what has become of you.

the way this person thinks is the way most people on this planet think. to say she/he supports violence because there is violence during protests is the same as saying that everyone who goes to church abuses children. it is just cheap populism. you won't make the world any better with it.

and once and for all: antifa is not a group with structures but more an idea that is unfortunately sometimes being abused by extremists. the term you are looking for is: left-wing radicals. they can also be terrorists. we are very familiar with that in germany. keyword: RAF. a dark part in german history.

Left Wing Terrorists
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posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: oloufo

Are they?

We all think we're good and kind people at heart. How many people do you know who will come up to you and admit that they're rotten individuals, selfish and just generally horrible people?

And yet we know those people exist although they wouldn't call themselves that.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: CryHavoc
What do you with someone like that?


A firm backhand or five used to solve that degree of retardation.

In lieu of that, point out they're no better than an ISIS or Al Qaeda sympathizer-enabler, and watch the snowflake meltdown.

Beyond that, not a damn thing we can do about it, other than not parroting their brain cell-killing idiocy.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:12 PM
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Grow up or get out more. Part of life, developing as a person and avoiding devolving into believing your own bull# is accepting not everyone has the same view as you and not surrounding yourself with an echo chamber.


originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: CryHavoc
What do you with someone like that?


A firm backhand or five used to solve that degree of retardation.

In lieu of that, point out they're no better than an ISIS or Al Qaeda sympathizer-enabler, and watch the snowflake meltdown.



How are they possibly on the same scale?



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Ah, moral relativism.

Yes, rioting and looting and burning stuff down isn't right for me personally, but who are you to judge what might be right for someone else?

Of course, that little statement right there is a tacit admission that those things are OK for you so long as someone else is engaged in them. You wouldn't want to be mean after all ... nevermind the people whose things are being destroyed by the rioting, looting, burning, etc., but they probably had it coming, amirite?



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: bastion
Grow up or get out more. Part of life, developing as a person and avoiding devolving into believing your own bull# is accepting not everyone has the same view as you and not surrounding yourself with an echo chamber.


originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: CryHavoc
What do you with someone like that?


A firm backhand or five used to solve that degree of retardation.

In lieu of that, point out they're no better than an ISIS or Al Qaeda sympathizer-enabler, and watch the snowflake meltdown.



How are they possibly on the same scale?


You being intentionally obtuse or something? When one uses violence and intimidation against civilians to muscle in political changes, that IS the definition of terrorism and it's not hyperbole. And it's no more acceptable on home soil than on foreign soil, what favored cave were you raised in to even question that?
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posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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If any of my relatives were looting or burning or destroying I would straight up turn them into the local police. Don't care if it was my own mother.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: CryHavoc


How To Cope When A Family Member supports Domestic Terrorism?


put trump KAG 2020 and all lives matter signs in front of their business and join anitifa in marching and point it them out.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I just had a very similar thought recently.
Nothing can be made better if everyone agrees because there would be no challenges to ideas if everyone is a yes man.
But some people can't understand that and will even turn on their own if a disagreement comes up.
And now some young people just expect the world to do what they want...without discussion.



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

Kick them out of the basement and stop feeding them free food?



posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: bastion

Ah, moral relativism.

Yes, rioting and looting and burning stuff down isn't right for me personally, but who are you to judge what might be right for someone else?

Of course, that little statement right there is a tacit admission that those things are OK for you so long as someone else is engaged in them. You wouldn't want to be mean after all ... nevermind the people whose things are being destroyed by the rioting, looting, burning, etc., but they probably had it coming, amirite?


The polar opposite actually. See every previous post I've made on threads on the subject. I think the people doing that need to be jailed and are an insult to the BLM or actual AntiFA cause.

The OP conflates support for BLM or AntiFA with support for racism, rape, violence, looting or rioting which is just as stupid as people saying Trump supporters are racists or nazis and Trump is literally Hitler.

a reply to: Nyiah

No I just understand what the word scale means. Call me back when BLM fly planes into the twin towers or AntiFA kill over a million innocent people before claiming it's not hyperbole to say a bunch of soyboys pose that level of threat or have caused that level of evil in the world.

I'm from the UK, grew up under actual terrorists like the IRA where it was normal to have to evacuate a building once every few months, lost a few mates to IEDs in Afghanistan and Iraq. Comparing them is plain stupidity.
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posted on Sep, 29 2020 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: bastion

You had experience up close and personally during the The Troubles era?

Good. Then you know damn well it has to start small before it blows up & out of control. Terrorism doesn't go from 0-100 in the blink of an eye, it has to grow first. Thus, you don't have much of a leg to stand on by dismissing burgeoning terrorism groups stateside. The IRA was small and burgeoning once upon a time also. I could always brush off those early confrontations prior to full-on bombings and such as "not real terrorism", also. But both of us know that's inaccurate, and a falsehood.



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