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Why Trump is not a Fascist nor a Dictator

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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:03 AM
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Lately, I´ve seen more and more Left-Wing´ers call President Trump either a Fascist or a Dictator, and also attribute these terms to the Right-Wing in
politics. But the fact is that the Left-Wing in politics has the most well-known Dictators and Fascists in our modern era - it might surprise you to hear that probably most of the modern era´s dictators and fascist that you´ve heard of was either a Socialist, Marxist, or a Communist:

First, let´s have look at the two most known Fascists in this List of Fascist Rulers:

- Adolf Hitler ; leader of the Nazi Party, formally known as N ational Socialist German Workers' Party
- Benito Mussolini ; a Marxist

, and the most known Dictators in this List of Dictators:

- Saddam Hussein - leader of the Arab Socialist Baʽath Party
- Robert Mugabe - a Socialist
- Daniel Ortega - leder of FSLN, a Socialist party
- Manuel Noriega - member of the Panama Socialist Party
- Hugo Chavez - leader of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela
- Fidel Castro - a Marxist
- Kim Jong-Il - a communist
- Pol Pot - a Marxist
- Ho Chi Minh - a Marxist
- Kim Jong-un - a Communist
- Benito Mussolini - a Marxist
- Joseph Stalin - a communist
- Adolf Hitler - leader of the Nazi Party, formally known as N ational Socialist German Workers' Party
- Slobodan Milošević - a communist

Based on the list above alone, I contend that Trump is not Left-Wing enough to be considered a Fascist or Dictator, as many Left-Wing´ers claim nowadays.

-MM
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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:14 AM
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ALRIGHT...who let this person with common sense in here?

FESS UP!


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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

The left never talks about freedom.

Well, they do, but it's freedom from individuality, freedom from personal responsibility, freedom from having the ability to make personal choices.



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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

If President Trump was a Fascist or a Dictator, there wouldn't be anyone to riot for 100+ strait days.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:35 AM
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Typically to be a Fascist Dictator one has to believe in Fascism and be a Dictator.

Since Trump doesn't believe in Fascism and hasn't introduced any policies that are motivated by Fascist ideology that is a big point in him not being a Fascist Dictator.

The other, some would say crucial, qualification in being a Fascist Dictator is to be a Dictator. Since Donald Trump is not a Dictator and America is not a Dictatorship he scores 0% on the "Am I a Fascist Dictator" quiz.

Better luck next time, Mr President.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:41 AM
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What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. If that's not fascism, what is it? Sure sounds like something a facist would say....
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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:42 AM
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Adolf Hitler ; leader of the Nazi Party, formally known as N ational Socialist German Workers' Party


Despite what right wing revisionists try to tell you, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis weren’t left wing. There’s a whole chapter in Mein Kampf that describes how they used the socialist colors and catch phrases from the day to draw in socialists. So they could either try to convert them or put them on a list. The socialists were among the first trucked off to the concentration camps.


Benito Mussolini ; a Marxist


Mussolini was a Marxist, who then developed the fascist ideology around 1919. He then ceased to be a Marxist and renounced socialism.


Mussolini was originally a socialist politician and a journalist at the Avanti! newspaper. In 1912, he became a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI),[7] but was expelled from the PSI for advocating military intervention in World War I, in opposition to the party's stance on neutrality. In 1914, Mussolini founded a new journal, Il Popolo d'Italia, and served in the Royal Italian Army during the war until he was wounded and discharged in 1917. Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on Italian nationalism instead of socialism, and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism[8] and class conflict, instead advocating "revolutionary nationalism" transcending class lines.

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Most of the rest you listed are only socialist in name. Like the Democratic in the North Korea name, or how Donald Trump and his lackeys use “Patriot” while taking a crap on the constitution and insulting military serviceman and dividing the nation just for the lulz.

Right wingers constantly try to revise history to make their ideology look less vile than it is. It’s a futile task. Because anyone who has studied history sees just how laughable it is.


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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. It that's not fascism, what is it?


What about the entirety of the DNC, including former President Hussein and Secretary of State not accepting the election results of 2016. If that's not fascism, what is it?



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:49 AM
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en.m.wikipedia.org...

Trump isn't a dictator, but if your best argument he isn't is based on being too right wing maybe there is a bit of an issue?



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

As a counter, here’s fascism in a historical context.


In his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[21] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.

"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."

"Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.


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While one or two of these may vaguely apply to certain parts of the left wing, it’s by far been a right wing movement throughout history. You all seem to be selectively taking bits and pieces from each fascist leader you listed and presenting them without context as evidence of them being left wing.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: SKEPTEK

originally posted by: olaru12
What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. It that's not fascism, what is it?


What about the entirety of the DNC, including former President Hussein and Secretary of State not accepting the election results of 2016. If that's not fascism, what is it?


Pretty sure I remember Obama leaving the Whitehouse.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
ALRIGHT...who let this person with common sense in here?

FESS UP!


I'm sorry, I stepped away to get some coffee and he just walked right in.


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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. It that's not fascism, what is it?


Not being blind. The left socialist want to be dictator’s, and will win by any means necessary (their own words), by openly subverting our open election or by burning congress down (again their own words).



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 10:59 AM
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Well he did have two scoops of ice cream...

That's pretty evil in itself.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. If that's not fascism, what is it? Sure sounds like something a facist would say....

Show me the full text in which he said that, without taking it out of context. Can you do that for me? I would like to see it, thx.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
Well he did have two scoops of ice cream...

That's pretty evil in itself.


Rumor has it that HITLER also overfed his Koi.


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posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:09 AM
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You can somewhat argue in economic terms Fascism is a left-leaning ideology. Of course it is very right wing on social and other issues especially within the context of the early 20th century.

The left-right paradigm is very, very inadequate when describing overarching socio-political-economic ideologies. Especially ones of a different era to our own. First one must define what is left and what is right. Which often comes down to personal opinion.

Syncretic would perhaps be a more apt term for Fascism, but then I have yet to meet anyone would consider Fascism to be a Centrist Ideology...



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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If you right wingers are correct and true about what you’re saying about fascism etc, then why the lies? Why the need to rewrite history in your favor?

If what you’re saying is the truth there shouldn’t be a need to rewrite history to prove it.



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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That is contested by historians, Jacob Leib Talmon, for example, said that that Fascism billed itself "not only as an alternative, but also as the heir to socialism."

-MM



posted on Sep, 27 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: olaru12
What exactly is the proper term for trump saying he won't accept the election results. If that's not fascism, what is it? Sure sounds like something a facist would say....

Show me the full text in which he said that, without taking it out of context. Can you do that for me? I would like to see it, thx.


Here ya go. I take trump at his word on this....


www.cnn.com...





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