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Dangerous Ideas

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posted on Sep, 24 2020 @ 10:49 PM
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I was having a discussion earlier with someone over the topic of censorship. At some point they mentioned the concept of 'dangerous ideas' and how some(morally superior people) believed in the need to tackle the problem of dangerous ideas because they lead to such things as holocausts and trump.

Now, i've heard this term 'dangerous ideas' before and their comment got me thinking.

What makes an idea dangerous?

If there's dangerous ideas are there safe ideas?

What makes an idea safe?

What's an example of a safe idea vs a dangerous idea?

Who decides which ideas are safe and which ones are dangerous?

Is this a static thing? Like once an idea is declared either safe or dangerous, do they stay that way or can a safe idea become a dangerous idea or vice versa?

Can one build up skills that let them deal with these dangerous ideas effectively, such as with other dangerous things or is the danger of ideas just beyond anyone to deal with?

Is there some kind of elite group of people who can handle these dangerous ideas that us normal folks can't?

The person i was speaking to of course, promptly lost their mind and began going on about nazis and drinking bleach, but failed to answer any of my questions.

The way i see it, this is very much the idea behind wrongthink and thoughtcrimes in 1984. That holding a non conforming belief makes one guilty and requires them to be punished by those that believe 'the correct thing'.

In the end, it all comes down to the idea that one group of people has the moral authority to decide what's right for everyone and should be allowed to crush any dissenting opinion.

This, I have a huge problem with. It's no different than what any other oppressive dictators have done to crush dissent.

I'm wondering though still, can someone who believes in the concept of 'dangerous ideas' answer the above questions?
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posted on Sep, 24 2020 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: dug88

Communism is a dangerous idea.

I think 94 million murdered prove that.

But you see, it is always a good "theme" to install a dictator or one party permanent rule, then the mass murder begins.



posted on Sep, 24 2020 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: dug88

Trump is a bad idea maybe for people nobody gives a crap about.
Not even their own family. But when you have family you love in a
decent God fearing way. Trump is the best period.
edit on 24-9-2020 by carsforkids because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 12:30 AM
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It is a dangerous world, lots of ways to get hurt or die. The Clinton emails is one example of a dangerous topic. It was dangerous for Seth Rich and Julian Assange to release them. It is dangerous to Hillary Clinton to have these matters investigated.

Is it dangerous or safer for society to ignore or resolve it? Will the world be a safer place if our political leaders have there get out of jail free cards taken away? Occasionally someone has to be the asshole to sort out a problem. Just where is the limits on executive privilege?

With all the issues around the Weiner Laptop it is very dangerous. Will the world be a safer place to clean this mess up? It will be dangerous for all involved.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 12:37 AM
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A wrong idea is one that infringes on the rights of another. The tricky part is determining what rights were infringed upon and what exactly constitutes an infringement of another's rights



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: bigsnowman
A wrong idea is one that infringes on the rights of another. The tricky part is determining what rights were infringed upon and what exactly constitutes an infringement of another's rights

Right.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 02:41 AM
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a reply to: bigsnowman

How does an idea infringe on someone's rights? Somebody acting on an idea can infringe on someone's rights, but an idea cannot.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 02:58 AM
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a reply to: dug88

Great topic, and I think your instincts are absolutely right.

Ideas are never dangerous and we should ingest as many ideas as we can, if not to agree with them, then to disagree with them. We cannot know whether an idea is true or false if we do not know it and are unaware of its arguments. In that sense we should be open to any idea and subject them to our rational faculties.

An idea, by nature of its constitution, cannot be any more dangerous than any other thought. It is brain activity, language, nothing more.

That’s why we cannot let some censor or other chose which ideas are dangerous, worthy of censorship or not, because that is not up to him to determine what we should and should not believe. We should also remember that not only does the censor deny the right to express one’s ideas, he also denies our right to hear them and decide on our own accord. That’s too much power for any mammal.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 05:16 AM
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Dangerous ideas = wrongthink = well, you know how that story goes



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 07:10 AM
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a reply to: dug88

freedom of speech actually applies to my freedom to speak my way. Yours not so much. I don't like your message, so I deem it dangerous and appeal that it should be censored.

How is that for an explanation?



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: dug88

Nature is dangerous, so being alive is dangerous. I didn't fully realize this until seeing my cat eating baby bunnies alive.

How can we have freedom of speech if we cannot have freedom of thought?

"If you don't eat your meat, how can you have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"

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For me, nothing sums this up like Pink Floyd The Wall. It was genius when created, now truly prophetic. It wasn't a dangerous idea back then when we had freedom of thought/speech, now it's a dangerous idea. We are living this film.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: bigsnowman
A wrong idea is one that infringes on the rights of another. The tricky part is determining what rights were infringed upon and what exactly constitutes an infringement of another's rights


Ideas can not infringe on peoples rights. Only actions can.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
You're wrong. All actions start with an idea.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
You're wrong. All actions start with an idea.

Wrongthink detected, off to the re-education center with ya



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
You're wrong. All actions start with an idea.


Hell of a way to start out your post.

So you are telling me that we are thought police? LOL

While I understand your assertion of causation, at any point prior to the action a new line of causation can occur that halts that action. Its the action that is dangerous. I can think of killing someone 6 ways to sunday. It does nothing at all. Its the action that causes it.

There are philosophical arguments supporting this, but I'd never in a million years thought anyone would try to argue against it.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 03:44 PM
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A brief read on the topic of causation, and the moral implications thereof:

fromtheholocron.com...


Imagine for a moment that I am entertaining the idea of kicking a dog. Maybe it just pooped on me and I’m feeling retributive. Or not, it doesn’t really matter.

As long as I don’t act on the idea and kick the dog, then no harm comes to the dog. Likewise, merely entertaining the idea causes me no harm. I could think about it for a second or for an hour, but as long as I didn’t do it, no one would be worse off.2

Consequently, it is the action of kicking a dog and not the related idea that has any moral weight.



posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: dug88

Freedom, liberty are dangerous ideas to a socialist.




posted on Sep, 25 2020 @ 05:32 PM
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Ideas when drunk can be dangerous...

A wise man said to me "when considering big questions about our lives together, just ask the question. What if everybody did it"

IMHO - gay sex is a dangerous idea. If everyone did it, there would no next generation. That doesn't mean men can't love men. I am not homophobic, because that's a misnomer anyway. in through the out door is dangerous in many ways.

Thinking of murdering someone is a dangerous idea. Imagination / conceptualization / philosophy aren't the practice of dangerous ideas they are positive in the sense they promote understanding.

Ideas are just that ideas, not necessarily good or bad - ponderance.
Enacting a dangerous idea is another thing. Dangerous to who? If just the self then... maybe.

Evel Knievel did some dangerous things - but were the ideas / visions of the stunt dangerous? No not really...
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posted on Sep, 26 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Well, it starts out like this. You think of a way to kill someone, That's an idea. If you hadn't though of killing anyone, ie no idea, then the action of killing someone wouldn't ensue.
Nearly all actions start with an idea before the action otherwise actions would be random.



posted on Sep, 26 2020 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Well, it starts out like this. You think of a way to kill someone, That's an idea. If you hadn't though of killing anyone, ie no idea, then the action of killing someone wouldn't ensue.
Nearly all actions start with an idea before the action otherwise actions would be random.


Yes. Causation.

Point being, if it stops with a thought, it is harmless. Its the action that creates harm.



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