President Trump signed an executive order to promote patriotic education in schools

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
"Patriots" exscuse state sponsored propaganda on ATS?

***pikachu shocked face***

Let me sum this up:

"We need to teach REAL history, and by real we mean history in a way that doesn't offend us".

Sounds about right, and no one here supporting this clown fiesta will be able to produce a single instance in which the current DOE curricula contains "fake history".

If some historic subjects make you feel uncomfortable then good, that's one of the many reasons we study history.

This article is for my local counties in NE Ohio.
www.tribtoday.com...

"I just read a report that states that students anywhere from high school down to fourth grade are sorely lacking in knowledge of American history, and that only 13 percent of the nation’s high school seniors showed proficiency in their knowledge of American history. It is very sad when students don’t know how many stars are on our national flag.

There is also much disagreement about our past these days, with people saying we sort of cooked the history books with nontruths and unproven facts. We know also that none of us are perfect and even our founding fathers were not gods. They developed this great nation, though.

Some of the negatives from our founding fathers is that most of them were slave-holders while talking so much about freedom. It took the Civil War to finally begin giving everyone those freedoms.

February is Black History Month and maybe people like Frederick Douglass with his contributions to our country should be discussed more thoroughly in our American history books. He was an abolitionist who fought for slavery freedom and women’s suffrage. He also believed in equal rights for all.

Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr. should be a big part of our American history to go along with the stories of our founding fathers."

One of the comments:
"LaVerne Browand
How about a student who went through the Worthington, OH public schools who said Lincoln was a slave holder"

It's not just American history those kids aren't proficient at, its everything.

This has nothing to do with "fake" history and more so to do with the way Americans value education.

We don't. American kids continue get # on across the board when it comes to academic performance.

This is the culture that wont put money up to hire someone quality that might be interested in actually educating, but'll drop millions to build a new football stadium at the drop of a hat.

History is important I agree and what the schools failed to do i tought my sons my self .

The biggest lesson was THINK for your self . Dont let any ONE person OR one group do your thinking for you .
yes american history has as Much bad as good BUT the idea is to learn from the bad CHANGE it so we DONT keep repeating it .

Something The left and Right are determined to do repeat it . a country at war with its self

a reply to: shooterbrody

Prove it. Prove bernie sanders was running on a communist platform.

a reply to: strongfp
The government ordering someone to work for free is communist.
Sorry you do not understand that.
Lol
You are not here so how could you?

And this is exactly why in Germany the school policies are under the responsibilty of the federal states instead of the republics ministry of education.

So we cannot have a dictated policy of having to teach/learn nationalistic values.
Again.
We know what comes of this!

this thread tickles me. Seeing the entire fleet of leftovers sky screaming is comical. HOW DARE THEY! HOW DARE US educators teach pro American history and teach patriotism!

Students need to be shamed. White one's more so. America was bad, slavery, wars, men with buckles on their hats.

I'm sorry that your dream of hijacking an entire nation is falling apart. Perhaps you should have moved a bit slower, but I get it, Trump sped up the timeline. Had to expose yourself a bit early. Well comrades, all is not lost. China is looking for a few good men, and you all seem perfect for the job. It's a big place and they have plenty of room for you.

God bless all of you and God bless the United States of America.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: shooterbrody

Prove it. Prove bernie sanders was running on a communist platform.

you can empty that sand from your vajaja, Sanders isn't running as a communists', he's a socialist who leans towards communism. And socialism is miles away from communism. Hell, they aren't even in the same coat pocket.

a reply to: Anon283799

Hopefully this special education he's calling for helps promote some critical thinking about our history. You can love your country but not love everything it's done. I can be a patriot and still constantly question my government, which, in my opinion, is the most patriotic thing you can do.

a reply to: bigsnowman

Do you think "patriotic eductaion" means they'll teach children about how Nixon fabricated a false-flag in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to declare an illegal war in which thousands of Americans died and others suffered severe mental problems only to be thrown under the bus by their government when they came back home?

I seriously hope not. Nixon didn't become President until January 1969. The Gulf of Tonkin incident happened in 1964. Richard M. Nixon ended the Vietnam War during his Presidency; he didn't start it.

Maybe you meant Lyndon B. Johnson?

While we're at it, many of the mental problems stemming from Vietnam were exacerbated by the protestors calling returning soldiers "baby-killer" when they stepped off the plane onto US soil. I've talked to many Vietnam vets who told me that was the cruelest thing they could have imagined, and that didn't come from the government. They needed a chance to forget; they never got it.

Oh, and thanks for illustrating exactly what's truly wrong with our education system.

TheRedneck

a reply to: shooterbrody

That doesn't make him a communist. He's a democratic socialist. Youre just grasping at straws here. Also, where was he trying to enslave people in his platform?

this reminds me of late 2001, where it was a little dangerous to say anything unPatriotic in the United States

While I don't like nor trust the government in any way controlling what teachers teach, something has to be done. Right now our children are learning things that never happened and are not learning things that did happen. It's revisionist history.

And worse, this revisionist history has taken such a center stage position in schools that it has pushed things like reading comprehension, math, and science off to the side. I see this every single day on ATS... posts are read incorrectly (if at all), words are manipulated, the most basic concepts in math are lacking, and people keep screaming "listen to the science" when in reality they are listening to the pundits and dismissing the very tenets of science. It's beyond pitiful; it is shameful.

Colleges which used to delve immediately into higher education now have to have students undergo extensive remedial classes just so they can comprehend the most basic college level courses. Universities are watering down their degrees, actually teaching less information than they did 20 years ago simply because their students often cannot grasp the basic concepts in a reasonable time frame.

And perhaps worst of all, civics is simply ignored. Want proof? The Federal government, through the Department of Education, has been setting the curriculums for quite some time now! This is nothing new! The only difference is that this Executive Order sounds like it will be combating the indoctrination happening right now. Whether or not it swings into indoctrination in the other direction is yet to be seen, but to claim that indoctrination is not actively happening right now is beyond ludicrous... it is absolute intentional ignorance at best, and wanton hatred of society at worst.

Given that Trump has succeeded at pretty much every issue he has tackled thus far, I'm OK with this on its face. Actually, I should say I am a bit excited about it. I still want to see the Executive Order when it is released, and I will be watching curriculums to ensure they are accurate, but heck... I do that now!

TheRedneck

a reply to: strongfp
Anyone who advocates people to provide their services for FREE by government mandate is a communist.
No thank you.
We do not do that here.

Wow, I’ve never seen so many leftist projection and “Reeeeeeeee!!!” That I almost thought the election was already here and Trump just won his second term 😂

Of course your typical leftist is against this, it goes against their liberal indoctrinated training in our public schools.

Notice a pattern? For every single leftist indoctrination policy beings dismantle, like Critical Theory and such, it drives them mad, why is that? Because it is power and infrastructure of the left that is being dismantle and replaced with common sense directives.

Obviously the low info left will compare it to Nazis and North Koreas because they simply don’t have the mental capacities to think otherwise, they’re not able to, such one dimensional thinking is what erodes confidence in their abilities to hold basic discussions without violating Godwin’s law multiple times because “Patriotic Education”.

In all honesty, the reactions of the left and by extension, their equally ignorant foreigner cousins is a prime example of why this is now an issue. These people are treading down a path that tries to obscure America’s past and somehow reinvent “America” into some Progressive Utopia. So it occurs to me that you all screeching, whining and crying about American history and American heritage via Patriotic anecdotes is really just the leftist enemy of the state DYING a slow and subtle death within our society.

Course y’all be pissed and rightfully so.

I mean, even before all this and this EO, look at my Avatar, its words. I’m a Nationalist, I’m that dude that’s ALL AMERICAN, FOR AMERICA, FOR AMERICANS, AMERICA FIRST.

If you find that uncomfortable as an American, it goes to show how far we’ve fallen. My President is here to fix that.

originally posted by: RimiroAnlyss
this reminds me of late 2001, where it was a little dangerous to say anything unPatriotic in the United States

How was exercising the first amendment dangerous in 2001?
Specifically?

a reply to: TheRedneck

While we're at it, many of the mental problems stemming from Vietnam were exacerbated by the protestors calling returning soldiers "baby-killer" when they stepped off the plane onto US soil.

I knew a fellow when I lived in Hawaii, we called him Country, his real name escapes me right now, but he's kinda famous, (Norman Lear wrote about him) because he was among the very first POWs rescued from Vietnam. While he was in captivity, they broke every bone in his body twice, and pulled every tooth he had from his mouth...torture.

When he came home he was in a wheel chair, both his legs and both his arms in casts, and they wanted to wheel him about the capitol which they did. And they wanted a ceremony and they wanted him to meet President Nixon. As they were him wheeling down a hallway, President Nixon waiting at the end to present him with some ribbon, Country said, the hallway was lined with "dirty hippies", (this guy looked like Willie Nelson), screaming at him and calling him a "baby killer", and then some "longed haired filthy hippie" (his words) spit on him.

Well, he wasn't going to sit there in his wheel chair and take that! So, he rose up out of his wheel chair and his casted arms and legs he beat the # out of that guy, right there in front of POTUS Nixon!

He did 7 years in Leavenworth for that stunt, and never got his fancy ribbon.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Anon283799

Hopefully this special education he's calling for helps promote some critical thinking about our history. You can love your country but not love everything it's done. I can be a patriot and still constantly question my government, which, in my opinion, is the most patriotic thing you can do.

Fair. I will say, though, my 11 year old is not really equipped with the necessary tools for critical analysis of US history, understanding the nuances of where historical records originate from (primary sources vs secondary sources), unwrapping biases of sources, and generally deep diving into controversial corners of our nation's history. These are topics that belong, if not in the final years of HS, certainly are fair game in a college education.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Anon283799

Hopefully this special education he's calling for helps promote some critical thinking about our history. You can love your country but not love everything it's done. I can be a patriot and still constantly question my government, which, in my opinion, is the most patriotic thing you can do.

Agreed. I think the worst parts can be exposed, we already know about Slavery in our history, might as well air out the rest and learn from it.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
Fair. I will say, though, my 11 year old is not really equipped with the necessary tools for critical analysis of US history, understanding the nuances of where historical records originate from (primary sources vs secondary sources), unwrapping biases of sources, and generally deep diving into controversial corners of our nation's history. These are topics that belong, if not in the final years of HS, certainly are fair game in a college education.

So what are you saying? Do the jingoistic thing in grammar/middle school and hopefully let them unravel that if they go to college?

Hopefully the world can return to the 2 genders system after this.