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The problem is not government. . . . . it is what KIND of government people want

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posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 09:36 PM
a reply to: Subsonic

The bottom line is as long as there are people who want to rule and control and people who want to be ruled and controlled, all that stuff is going to exist. What happened after the Roman empire fell?? Warlords rose up and battled each to fill the power vacuum and become kings. The soviet union fell?? Many of thier satellite states went years in war till one group rose to the top, or like Yugoslavia.. broke up into separate regions. Iraq?? Ya.. same thing.
If I am understanding what you mean by anarcho-capitalism right.. we ain't ready for it. It would mean giving up control of all but yourself fully trusting others to do the same. To allow you to go on your way, do whatever you like while I go on my way, do whatever I like..
Lol... most married couples cant pull that off let alone a whole society.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 09:45 PM
a reply to: DBCowboy
To an extent they do. And yes, their willingness to pay higher and higher amounts is inflationary.. but then, you have insurance companies and providers insisting on more and more money, many times because they have overextended their budgets, building bigger and better buildings, buying better equipments, increasing the salaries of some of thier skilled employees.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 09:47 PM

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: DBCowboy
To an extent they do. And yes, their willingness to pay higher and higher amounts is inflationary.. but then, you have insurance companies and providers insisting on more and more money, many times because they have overextended their budgets, building bigger and better buildings, buying better equipments, increasing the salaries of some of thier skilled employees.

So you agree that government is responsible for higher prices in healthcare, yet you want government to be in charge of healthcare.

Dear Lord, that's a bucket full of stupid.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 10:19 PM
a reply to: DBCowboy
You are ignoring the other side of that coin.. the part the healthcare industry plays in it. I mean it does seem like its is the industry that is raking in the big bucks, not the govt and we the consumers and taxpayers really do seem to be getting the shortest end of the stick. At least if thr govt were to play the role of the insurance companies, we would know just who to hold accountable.
But, I wouldnt really be that happy if they took that route. I would prefer if we all just had a system that we could afford our basic healthcare ourselves without relying on an insurance company or the govt. even it it wasnt the best in the world with all the bells and whistles. And by basic I mean most healthcare.. I just dont see how that is possible at this time.

But, what is your suggestion? Are you willing to cut all taxpayer funds off... and I do mean all, including the money they are sinking into it to come up with this vaccine for covid... unless of course they want to provide it to us free of charge.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 10:23 PM
a reply to: dawnstar

Get government completely out of the healthcare business.

I'm old enough to remember when we used to afford healthcare without insurance and that it was just a perk offered by some companies.

Since the introduction of government interference, healthcare costs have increased.

Now you want the cause of healthcare cost increases to be in charge of healthcare.

Just admit you're a ####ing Marxist because this sh#t is getting old.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 10:30 PM
a reply to: Sookiechacha

LOL Biden isn't going to win, u see the 5 people at his rallies or three people who greet him when he lands? The D party is all about Hollywood fake green-screens and theatrics, no substance or reality.

posted on Sep, 16 2020 @ 11:01 PM
a reply to: DBCowboy

No I am not gonna admit that..
And, ya, I can remember that also!!
My doctor lived up the street from me, his office was in his home, his basement was a flipping pharmacy!! His standard of living, his income wasn't 10 times my family's or more.. he ran his practice the way he saw fit, not how some govt or insurance company saw fit and he didnt have any catholic hospital enforcing religious beliefs into the care he provided while his patients were hospitalized.
But, tell me... just how do we get back to that?
You say get govt completely out of healthcare...
Ok, no more medicaid, child health plus, no more money for research and development, equipment purchases, special govt Grant's and scholerships for doctors and nurses...
How many patients reckon would be taken out of the equation.. patients that actually have their care paid for?
Gee, might not need that many doctors and nurses anymore and I got a feeling that those we do need wont be making as much as they are now. Maybe even see some hospitals closing down. And all those healthcare workers?? Well they are unemployed, not able to pay that mortgage or car payment.. and those who no longer are visiting the doctors, not going into the hospitals.. well they will create other mayhem in our economy.
It is not that easy. The last time they talked about cutting food stamps a little, walmart and other grocers were studying just how it might affect thier profits and sending out warnings to their stockholders if I remember right.
You are right, the govt played a major role in getting us into this mess. I am just saying they are gonna have to play a role in getting us out.

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 01:42 AM
a reply to: underwerks

If you guys ever took the time to figure out what it is, what it really is that people on the left are wanting (and not the warped right wing version of it) I think you’d find that it isn’t unreasonable at all.

Why should I care what the left wants?

Do they care what I want?

What is the purpose of government as described by the Framers and the US Constitution?

It isn't about what anyone wants, it's about having small, effective and responsive government.


Everything else is just noise and someone's idea of a good time or a gov't subsidy they can steal.

People have had it. But it's coming soon to a district/state/country near you.

Watch this space.

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 10:21 AM

originally posted by: DBCowboy

So to the leftists, the authoritarians, the Biden supporters and voters. . . . . why can't you just admit that you don't want compromise, you want surrender.

You want authoritarian rule. You want government healthcare, you want government mandated control over outcomes.

You don't want equal opportunity.

The way I see it, the members of that group should be separated in 2 when discussing the matter.

The young who dare not bear responsibility, in their youthful wisdom, they are aware of their lack of resources to govern themselves, and so look for the Adults to do so (althewhile whining as children oft do lol).

Meanwhile, the adults within this group may also lack the drive to self-govern, though I suspect others see things differently.

I do so dare say that we All Can, and Will (One Day, time willing) come to a reasonable solution to fit all needs.

And the answer isn't blue or red. It's not purple either. Look deeper within, or further without.

I've always been fond of your posts my friend; yours is a voice which promotes critical thinking.

Peace. ^_^

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 10:36 AM
a reply to: dawnstar

A businesses job is to make money. What part of that don't you get?

If I can make $10,000/exam ... then I will. And government has no limits on its pockets, so when it makes something affordable, it pays whatever the price is and the price can always be more than what any of us can pay.

There is no pressure through the market to keep price down. Government simply does not care.

Remove government and either I figure out how to charge what my actual customers *can* pay, or I go out of business. It's pretty simple. Government tax money distorts the market. It always does. Look at colleges for another example of this.

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 06:18 PM
yea well I think the simple is best flat tax .
just doing that takes away most of governments ways of cheating and every one is taxed according to what they use .

Someone wants a 10 Million house will pay a lot more then someone living in a shack and flat tax leaves No loop holes .

Really i owned a Home property tax is SO unconstitutional ! AKA DOBBLE taxation at its most apparent . Being taxed over and over on the same thing you already own .

A flat tax and we FINLY do own property as it is You dont own a home have NEVER owned a HOME and NEVER will own a home .

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 06:23 PM
Right HU half of what this country does is socialsum always has been .
Police schools fire a good chunk of taxes .
EBT started in 1920 depression Why tehy are called food stamps .
HECK income tax SSI lol .

posted on Sep, 17 2020 @ 06:39 PM
a reply to: midnightstar

Social Security is a perfect example of socialism and why we shouldn't want it.

Government takes tens to hundreds of thousands from us only to give us a fraction of it when we retire. Government gets to determine how we live, how much we have.

It's a perfect example to why everyone should be fighting the socialism push in the US.

posted on Sep, 18 2020 @ 05:14 AM
a reply to: DBCowboy

No, the problem is government. The problem is power and neurology. The whole ding-dong, left-right, friend-foe thing is bollocks.

It matters not what anyone thinks or believes, as soon as they achieve power, their brains physically change and they start to see the governed as lesser mortals.

That is why whoever takes the WH, neither orangeman nor bonkersbiden will give a toss about any of the issues mentioned. They will care only about power and how to maintain it.

posted on Sep, 18 2020 @ 05:30 AM
Funny thing in what I noticed with this thread, some on the left are holding up people that they spent years hating as reason why trump is an evil nutcase, proof that trump only has a few supporters etc.

Someone actually pointed out that the Bush clan is against trump as if that was supposed to make me run out and vote biden.

Heck off the cuff with no other information is bush clan is against him I kinda wonder if he is on to something good.

I still wont vote trump, but some of those names listed as "republicans" against trump make me happy trump is president because those named are mostly not conservative.

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