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The problem is not government. . . . . it is what KIND of government people want

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

All that time telling me I don't know what you want and then you don't tell me what you want except for me to die.




posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:05 PM
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Even when I put it point blank, that the left wants a different type of government, we still cannot agree.



The left wants a government that provides UBI's, socialized healthcare, and of course, equal outcomes.

The type of government that can provide that has no place in our representative republic.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy




Well, it's not about Trump. It is about what people want from government.


No. It's about Trump. Even Republicans are sick of Trump's lies, crimes, cruelty, divisiveness and deep state paranoia.

If/when Biden wins, it will be because of Republicans.


Is that what the leftists like yourself are hoping and praying and wishing for now?

That Trump has so distanced himself from his base that he's going to lose because of that?

Even though he has actually expanded his base among all demographics?

Why are you not pointing out how Biden has expanded the Democratic party base because of the policies and platform that he is running on?

Oh wait....

Just...

Is there a triple facepalm meme somewhere I could use here?

Or possibly an infinity facepalm?

~Leaves the thread giggling~



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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:09 PM
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So the more we keep the borders open the more welfare has to be offered. Don't worry about what we have to take care of now. Appears maybe the "woke" should figure out where tax money goes and is there an unending supply



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: fernalley

Of course, so long as they have all us old rich people working for it, then can just take it from us. We really stole it from them anyhow.

Of course, since we're all dying soon, then they can really get what they want. I don't know how they're going to tax anyone then cause we won't be around to flog for cash anymore.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:14 PM
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the school sector really has to be locally run......send em money yeah....but

I've been fighting that for a while....In Texas our lady governor said vote for the LOTTO...you know, wayy back in the 1900's.... but she said the money would go to the teachers.....but....I'm so mad at myself because I believed her...s o b
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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:15 PM
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The problem is government, it always has been. And it doesn't matter what kind of government, be it monarchy, democracy, dictatorship, socialist "republic"... etc.

The U.S.A. was a unique organization of government it was founded as a Republic with limited "rights" and "freedom" given to the GOVERNMENT, not to the people. The government had an itemized list of things that it was supposed to do, nothing more, nothing less.

1. There was no "federal education" authority given.

2. There was no federal "firearms/weapons" authority given. In fact? It is by law, forbidden.

3. There was no federal control of State lands given, minus Forts, Navy dock yards, powder magazines and such for "National defense".

4. There was no federal "progressive tax" system. In fact? it was forbidden! "The States" paid the feds taxes, according to the lowest populated State. That's what "the census" was originally for. Not to see how many people the federal government has to take care of. And at that time taxing a citizens wages was unconscionable. Only "profit and gain" could be taxed. Wages were not considered profit.

All "ENUMERATED" power was given to the "National Government". All other power, rights, freedoms where given to the "states or to the people" (That are supposed to govern themselves).


One could go on forever on how F'd up it has become.

Number 1. Would be were I'd start to unF this mess. People will get the kind of government they're trained (educated) to deserve.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha




If/when Biden wins, it will be because of Republicans.

Then what? We get to drink adrenochrome and go live in Christmas land? lol



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: fernalley

Of course, so long as they have all us old rich people working for it, then can just take it from us. We really stole it from them anyhow.

Of course, since we're all dying soon, then they can really get what they want. I don't know how they're going to tax anyone then cause we won't be around to flog for cash anymore.


I think the actual point is that once we die then there will no longer be a voice to speak out against them, so they then can be quite happy and once again circle jerk into the modern version of Jamestown.

Which was an awesome reference from you in another thread... I got a good giggle out of someone confusing Jim Jone's failure with our own American history.

Possibly someone who drank the koolaid.




posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: murphy22

This..times 1000
How this isn't completely evident to anybody with half a brain perplexes me to no end



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

People talk about teacher programming. I ran across it in an old SRA passage reader we used at the clinic where I worked with kids who had learning disabilities. After that, it was always one of my favorite go-to passages.

It really got one kid's dander up one day. He went all "We should just go back to Europe!" on me. He was not NA either. I'd guess he's out chucking molotovs somewhere today.


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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

These are Republicans.



OUR MISSION
Defeat President Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box.

We do not undertake this task lightly nor from ideological preference. Our many policy differences with national Democrats remain. However, the priority for all patriotic Americans must be a shared fidelity to the Constitution and a commitment to defeat those candidates who have abandoned their constitutional oaths, regardless of party. Electing Democrats who support the Constitution over Republicans who do not is a worthy effort.


The founders of the Lincoln project have spent over 200 years electing Republicans. But now, they’ve sparked a nationwide movement with a singular mission: To defeat Donald Trump and Trumpism.

lincolnproject.us...

All The Republicans Who Have Endorsed Joe Biden For President www.forbes.com...

The list includes prominent Republicans, like the Bushes, Rex Tillerson and Richard Spencer, who refuse to endorse Trump's government.

So yeah, if/when Biden wins, he'll owe some of that win to hard core Republicans that can't get behind a Trumpian government.


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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: Arizonaguy

Lack of a real education.

If people actually took the time to sit down and read the C.O.T.U.S.? It would go one, of two ways.

With the current population? I think ugly is unavoidable.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Less Gov. less "SySTEMIC" everything or what ever.

See that! That's what BLM has done for me. Made me hate
everything associated with it. Including putting two words together.
They have achieved their goal.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: murphy22

Of note in the vote that led to the Department Of Education
Democrats held 63% of the House and 55% of the Senate
That abortion was passing no matter what
And look at the results...
Probably the worst piece of legislation to ever grace our great land



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

If Biden wins I promise to teach you people all about sky screaming.
I'll be like a super hero Ninja sky screamer no mask.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Years ago, a family with no earned income whatsoever could get benefits that were valued more than a family of the same size who's income made them not eligible for any assistance had access to in some cases. This not only discouraged people from trying to earn a little more money but also encouraged separations and divorces as well as increasing the cost of living. A set universal income, according to family size instead of what we have would equal out that quirk as well as eliminate the army of social workers that now work to operate the many assistance programs.
And, as far as socializing that monster of a healthcare system we have built up... we need to do something with it!! But, tell me, who is paying the bulk of the funding for this new covid vaccine that all these companies are racing to develope? And who is funding the govts purchase of this vaccine before it has even become a reality? I do believe it is the taxpayers. So, will these taxpayers get this vaccine free, since they have already paid for it, or will they or their insurance companies have to fork over more money? When I say we built this healthcare system, I meant just that. In so many ways, taxpayer money has flowed into the system already...
And no, I dont think anyone wants equal outcomes.. saying that everyone should have a roof over their head doesnt mean one persons roof cant be that of a modest apartment while another's is that of a mansion. Or that one person might have to be content with hamburg while another enjoys steak.
But, if you want workers working your jobs, then those workers will need that roof over their head, food on their table, and healthcare when they are sick. It is more a matter of what avenue the funds for these things are given to them. Personally, I think there are alot of taxpayers out there that could care less if mc Donald's can keep a workforce to make their big mac's but since there are alot who dont want to pay an extra dollar or so for their big macs... we need a bigger army processing those applications for HUD, food stamps, and all the other programs.
And I am sorry, but we just ain't gonna let the elderly, the sick, the disabled who cant work just lie in the streets till they die.
And, accept that no one wants 100% employment. It give the laborers too much power at the negotiating table. The cost of labor would skyrocket! So, we will always have those who are unemployed for a time that will need a helping hand.



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

You're gonna have to show some proof for those claims



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

These are Republicans.



OUR MISSION
Defeat President Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box.

We do not undertake this task lightly nor from ideological preference. Our many policy differences with national Democrats remain. However, the priority for all patriotic Americans must be a shared fidelity to the Constitution and a commitment to defeat those candidates who have abandoned their constitutional oaths, regardless of party. Electing Democrats who support the Constitution over Republicans who do not is a worthy effort.


The founders of the Lincoln project have spent over 200 years electing Republicans. But now, they’ve sparked a nationwide movement with a singular mission: To defeat Donald Trump and Trumpism.

lincolnproject.us...

All The Republicans Who Have Endorsed Joe Biden For President www.forbes.com...

The list includes prominent Republicans, like the Bushes, Rex Tillerson and Richard Spencer, who refuse to endorse Trump's government.

So yeah, if/when Biden wins, he'll owe some of that win to hard core Republicans that can't get behind a Trumpian government.


Last thing we need in Canada a Biden win. Trudeau would hand us over to the UN on a silver platter



posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: Arizonaguy
What claims?



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