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Understanding the true severity of Covid-19

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 06:52 AM
Covid-19 is highly contagious but is it really the deadly superbug it's claimed to be? Well to start with recent studies suggest up to 80% of people are completely asymptomatic, which is another reason it spreads so well and why herd immunity occurs so quickly. Some experts recently said that NY and the UK already have pockets with herd immunity, it was also recently reported the flu is now killing six times as many people as Covid-19 in the UK.

The CDC recently released data showing that out of all the Covid-19 deaths they recorded, 94% had an average of 2.6 comorbidities. Yes some of those other conditions were probably caused by Covid-19, but even early on we had official data from Italy stating that 99.2% of people who died in the first big wave had at least one or more pre-existing health condition, and almost half of the victims suffered from three or more prior illnesses.

The average age of those who died in Italy was 79.5 and even data from the CDC shows that 95% of Covid-19 deaths in the US are people aged 50 years or older. Furthermore, people under 18 years old account for 0.00006% of the deaths and a significant portion of those children had serious pre-existing conditions. When a person is very old or they have a serious pre-existing condition then almost anything is going to kill them including things like influenza.

It's been known for some time that doctors are directed to list Covid-19 on the death certificate even if it's only suspected the patient had Covid-19. Not only that, if a person tests positive for Covid-19 and then dies of another pre-existing condition, they must still include Covid-19 on the death certificate, which then counts towards the Covid-19 death statistics. This has been one of my major problems with the way the numbers are presented since the beginning.

These are some of the reasons people such as Elon Musk have said the numbers were inflated by an order of magnitude. A few months back I created a list of around a dozen famous people who had caught Coronavirus, and all of them except one person had very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, and there was no lasting damage after they recovered. Boris Johnson seemed to be the only person in the list to develop fairly severe symptoms and took a while to recover.

Due to being a SARS-type virus it can cause long-term lung issues but from what I can tell it's only a small fraction of people who experience decreased lung capacity after recovering, but the latest reports also say that the lungs will heal over time and it's not clear if the effects will be permanent. There are many viruses which cause terrible long-term symptoms and they cannot be cured, but that doesn't mean we should hide inside for the rest of our lives.

Flattening the curve doesn't automatically imply less death if the area under the curve ends up being the same. Initially the plan was the prevent straining health services but it slowly transformed into a neurotic plan to stop any spread at all, which clearly does more damage than it prevents, through economic damage and psychological damage. If the global economy were to totally collapse we'd see massive numbers of deaths, as it is the suicides are already out of hand.

I'm not against flattening the curve I'm against over-flattening the curve and I'm against leaders who believe they can continue strict lockdowns for several more months like in Melbourne Victoria. Nearly everyone in Australia, including the Prime Minister and even the media is starting to agree that they're taking it too far. The Victorian police has arrested reporters covering the protests and even arrested a pregnant women in her home for making anti-lockdown posts on Facebook.

I couldn't imagine being under a curfew from 8pm until 5am or having to wear a mask just to walk outside for such a long period of time, it's simply dystopian. There's a thing called freedom of choice, if some people want to live in fear that is fine but those who want to get on with their lives and operate their businesses should be allowed to if they are willing to take that risk. We takes risks every day, my risk of dying in a car crash is higher than dying of Covid-19.

The common stomach bug Norovirus kills between 570 to 800 kids each year in the US according to the CDC, yet the first child death linked to Covid-19 wasn't reported until May. Yes, Covid-19 does appear deadlier than the flu for older people but most older people are already retired and have savings to survive on. There is no reason that younger people should be forced to self-isolate for excessive periods of time. It can and has done great psychological damage, especially to kids.


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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:11 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

how do we change things?

when is it time to go back to business as usual?

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:12 AM
Another thought, if this virus really was as deadly as they want us to believe, there really wouldn't be any question or doubt, people wouldn't be arguing about whether it's a mild virus or a very deadly virus, it would be crystal clear. In the beginning I fully believed it was a superbug because I saw a lot of terrifying footage coming out of China, people just dropping to the floor... yet for some reason those same things didn't occur anywhere else. It's almost as if China hyped up the virus to divert attention away from things like the Hong Kong protests.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:15 AM
a reply to: subfab

Most places in the world have been getting back the normal, which is another reason why it's absurd for places like Victoria to think it's reasonable to continue the most strict lockdown in the world for several more months. It's not like Melbourne is the only big city in Australia, if other states are doing fine while opening everything back up there is clear evidence that Melbourne will also be fine. Unfortunately some leaders appear to be controlled entirely by fear.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:19 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

i too gave the CDC the benefit of the doubt regarding the deadly nature of the virus.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:21 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

i am in Oregon. life here is nowhere near back to normal.
there are a lot of people who are still very frightened. people will call you out if you don't have a mask on. i just don't understand the world today.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:22 AM

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Another thought, if this virus really was as deadly as they want us to believe, there really wouldn't be any question or doubt, people wouldn't be arguing about whether it's a mild virus or a very deadly virus, it would be crystal clear. In the beginning I fully believed it was a superbug because I saw a lot of terrifying footage coming out of China, people just dropping to the floor... yet for some reason those same things didn't occur anywhere else. It's almost as if China hyped up the virus to divert attention away from things like the Hong Kong protests.

Not to mention that looting and rioting in mob-like fashion has been encouraged during this super deadly pandemic...

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:25 AM
I seen it for what it was from the very beginning although it wasn’t a very popular stance to hold. Recorded right here on ATS. All I had to do was look at the CDC’s numbers they were putting out and applied common sense.
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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:27 AM
On the topic of herd immunity, the cases in New York City is still completely flat and has been for months, my argument has held up with time. Looks like the UK is entering the start of another wave but the death rate still remains completely flat. They clearly have some degree of herd immunity otherwise such dense places would see big secondary waves, yet somehow places like Australia with highly sparse populations did experience a massive wave greater than first... which is absolutely because we over-flattened the initial curve. And in between those two waves we wasted months hiding inside hoping that things would magically be better when we decided to open things back up. Over-flattening the curve only prolongs the suffering and there is no better example of that than what's happening in Victoria right now.
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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:31 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

instead of infection rate, i feel a better metric to gauge the severity of the virus is hospitalization rates.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:40 AM

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

Lol that's a great gif. I think most people are really over the riots at this point, it's the last thing we need on top of everything else and I think the leaders who have encouraged it are going to be in for a rude awakening at some point.
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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 07:57 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Another thought, if this virus really was as deadly as they want us to believe, there really wouldn't be any question or doubt, people wouldn't be arguing about whether it's a mild virus or a very deadly virus, it would be crystal clear.

Yeah.... it didn’t quite turn out to be Captain Trips.


posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:04 AM
Is there any proof that the new coronavirus, from Wuhan is contagious ?

Because i doubt it is .

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:10 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Well, yet another thread on the covid rubbish stating the obvious. - around and around and around we go again.

The real issues here is the WHY.

WHY are the government's ordering deaths to be listed as covid?
WHY are the lockdowns - especially in Victoria Melbourne so draconian?
WHY are the police who must see these facts for themselves still enforcing the will of the government with unnecessary force instead of serving and protecting the people?
WHY are people in other countries not experiencing wuhan drop in the street symptoms?

WHY is humanity to stupid to stand enmass and force the answering of the WHY questions?

And 1 where question - WHERE is the proof of all these so called 2nd wave cases?

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:15 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

It seems we've also figured out what causes severe COVID, and should be able to nip it in the bud quite easily (if science is allowed to win the day.)

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:21 AM
We are going to hit the 300,000-400,000 deaths of World War 2

and that was over 4 years....this is 9 months

This is serious, folks. We have to come together to fight this.

Countries who have been successful at fighting this rallied together and did what they had to to stop it.

THEY are able to go back to work, school, etc while our death toll keeps rising

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:31 AM
The measures taken against COVID19 are very clearly NOT about COVID19.

Just take a look at what is happening in Australia. It's a total police state in Victoria.

We all gave the government and health professionals the world over the benefit of the doubt on COVID19. The response was an oppressive police state and political opportunism the world over.

I don't think COVID19 was ever anything but COVID1984.

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posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 08:49 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I just turned down a job with GoldCorp in Redlake, Ontario.

Covid test was mandatory.

Next, the extremely questionable vaccine will be mandatory.

Nope, not getting it. This will be the end of my career....ah well.

No sign of them lifting restrictions, this is too good for TPTB.

Welcome to the transition period to the NWO....

Be safe.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:02 AM
It's clear to me that if you are unlucky enough to get a severe case of COVID-19, then it's a very serious thing, but the problem is that your odds of getting a serious case just aren't that good.

The odds increase with your age. They increase with certain health conditions. And those odds compound as you add those things together.

As we started to figure all this out, we should have started to target our risk management measures accordingly. Instead, we've continued to take the scorched earth approach we started with when we didn't know much of anything except what little had leaked out of China.

I don't fault authorities for an abundance of caution early when we didn't know anything, but now that we do, the continued lock downs and restrictions and ordinances are nothing more than authoritarian in nature and being used by the power mad simply to control and inconvenience the people.

posted on Sep, 13 2020 @ 09:20 AM
Look what they hide and excuse under and with the Corona/Covid story.

Like the implementation of industry4.0, nobody of the then unemployed wants millions of unemployed. Happens right now (and thats what 5G is for). Like the Green New Deal we all have to pay for to make some of the ultra rich a bit richer. Happens right now, "Corona money" is used.

Redistribution from the poor to the ultra rich was not good enough for the greedy ultra rich, they didn´t profit enough yet. 99% of the people don´t want this redistribution because these 99% are not ultra rich. Happens right now.

Digital mass observation of the hoi polloi, trying to put people at the mercy of digital currency for better observation of the masses and individuals. Nobody sane wants that. Happens right now or/and the attacks getting harder. Because, as we all know, "mankind extincted several times because of using cash money".

The long expected next economic crisis, caused by the almost same casino gamblers as in 2008 because nothing changed to a better but even got worse. These greedy gamblers didn´t want to see themselves hanging at their own ties: Excused with Corona.

The continued dividing of the people works perfectly under the Corona story, i never saw whole societies divided like since Corona. The one side of the extremists are the mostly wealthy hysterics which sit in their money bins and want more restrictions and lockdowns and social distancing and mask wearing because it is no harm for them, it changes nothing for them. On the other side those extremists that say that the virus is a fairy tale.Those still sane people in the biggest group between those two extreme sides is absolutely not represented anymore or even, at least in Germany, defamed as Covidiots, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists or even neonazis, rightwingers etc, if they talk about the problems the politically subscribed corona measures create. The measures meanwhile harm far more people worldwide than the "killer virus".

The mass media since the beginning of Corona(Event201?) is completely government compliant and only one opinion is wished and only one "truth" is accepted, only chosen experts are allowed to report the "only one truth", the rest is defamed as conspiracy theorists. No critical questions by so called reporters anymore because these so called reporters are not a bit critical anymore but loudspeakers of government, lobbyists and their politicians and their decisions. Not possible without Corona, not in such a scale.

Next year, Davos and their, the "elites proclamation" of their "Great Reset". No Corona, no Great Reset. Somehow nobody wants to see what is happening right now. The ultra rich "elites" are rolling their long wished New World Order out.

"What a luck that this is only a conspiracy theory and not to be taken serious..."

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